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GSG-5

Pete Moore revisits the rifle that caused such a stir last year – German Sport Gun’s GSG-5 the H&K, MP5 look-a-like

In 2008 the buzz word for aficionados of 22 rimfire, military look-a-like, semi-autos was doubtless the GSG-5. Made by German Sport Guns (GSG) the look was a near 100% copy of the famous Heckler & Koch MP5 sub machine gun. Also a clever take on the men who originally made it famous - Grenzschutzgruppe (GSG) 9, who are the German anti terrorist unit. 

GSG is now handled by York Guns, who are naturally keen to push the brand and sent me one with promises of accessories to follow. These include a Picatinny-style forend, forward grip, lights, lasers, double mag clamp, scope mount and a choice of telescopic or side-folding stocks.

Legal considerations

You can’t fail to notice that the GSG-5 comes with what appears to be a moderator, which is actually a dummy barrel shroud. When it first appeared many people thought they could simply get the barrel cut down to a more realistic length; I’m afraid not! To qualify as a Sect 1, Large Firearm it needs to be a minimum overall length (muzzle to butt) of 24” with a 12” barrel. Due to the short action this is not possible, as the fixed butt is removable and a telescopic unit can be substituted. So to conform the tube has to be 16” to make up the required 24” to the end of the receiver, regardless of your choice of furniture.

Also you cannot get round this by electing to stay with the fixed butt, as this part has to be removable to allow stripping. So the MP5 SD (dedicated, silenced MP5) look given by the barrel shroud does offer a bit more realism. That aside the GSG-5 is a dead spit for the current MP5, which as a student of military weaponry I found most pleasing.

Composite build

With the exception of the barrel and bolt assembly the majority of the rifle is made from aluminium alloy and polymer. Sights consist of a fixed blade in a ring protector up front and a 4-position dioptre, which offers a basic V-notch and three apertures for different ranges. The scope mount clamps to the receiver, unlike the H&K Q/D design and offers a Picatinny rail.

The forend is tapered and textured for grip, the fixed butt slides onto the rear of the receiver and is retained by a cross pin. On the left side is a sling bar with a ring up front by the fore sight for a snap hook.

Feed is by a curved, 23-round, single column magazine. Its sides are slotted and features ambidextrous, external, follower catches, which makes filling up easier as you can take the weight off the spring. The mag release offers a cross bolt at the right of the well, combined with a lever at the rear. The ambidextrous safety lever shows FIRE (F & red dot) and SAFE (S & white dot). The trigger has a broad, long blade, but the pull is soft and mushy.

The magazine safety is useful in that unless a mag is in position the trigger is blocked. Pleasing is the last round automatic hold open. Cocking is by a plunger that sits over the barrel in a tube. All you do is pull back on the knob (forward left) to retract the bolt then let it go to chamber. The tube has a cut-out that allows the action to be manually held open, I found this great for loading and stoppage drills.

Well presented

Generally the GSG-5 is well presented and if you like this sort of gear it’s certainly an exciting looking rifle. York Guns are now offering a proper moderator; the dummy unit is 8 ½” long and screws into a collar at the end of the forend and locates at the muzzle. The real suppressor is 13 ½” and consists of a forward baffle stack with a non functioning rear chamber. The standard GSG-5 is 35 ½”, but 38 ½” with the moderator. This now allows you to take the rifle out after rabbits using sub-sonic ammo should that be your thing. I know from our website there are a few people out there very keen to use it in this role… Most odd is how slim the barrel is at a mere 0.480”.

Dirty bird

Last year my impression of the GSG-5 was that it was ammo sensitive and as I recall the gun ended up running best with Remington sub-sonics, despite the assumption that hi-velocity fodder would be better. This time round it proved far more versatile.
The magazine loads to a capacity of 24, however, I got first round feed problems, so found it sensible to reduce the load to around 20/22, which is still generous.

I used a number of brands of ammo and found the rifle worked best with Remington hi-velocity (HV). It proved very clean in terms of the debris that gets blown back into the action, which is unavoidable on a 22 semi-auto. The HV bullet is also coated so less lead shaving too. With wet-lubed (waxed) bullets the build up of crud and subsequent problems was greater and much sooner.

On average you could put 150-rounds+ of HV through the gun with good reliability apart from the occasional and unavoidable, ammo-related failures to cycle, which is a feature of rimfires. With sub-sonics and due to their lower power, operation is affected earlier! I would say you can get three mags off before things get less reliable, however, 60-shots for a rabbit raid is still a lot of ammo… Remington importers Edgar Brothers are sending me some of their ultra high velocity Viper ammo to try, which with the ability of their HV load could be another consideration.

Strip ‘n’ clean

Taking the GSG-5 down requires a medium bladed, slot head screw driver and a #3 Allen key. Like the MP5 it’s held together by cross pins, though these have screw heads as opposed to spring clips. To start cock the hammer and set the safety to S.

Undo and remove the two pins at the front and rear of the pistol grip assembly and take the butt off. Looking into the rear of the receiver will show a silver block with an Allen screw. Undo this and with your finger pull it down where it can be removed.

Now slide off the grip to the rear and retract the cocking handle to push out the bolt assembly. This sits in an open, alloy carrier block complete with return springs, which gives just enough access to clean. It is possible to further split the carrier as it’s in two halves that screw together, but I would not recommend it!

Due to the reasonably confined nature of the design, items like tooth brushes are ideal for getting in around the breech face and feed ramp etc to remove debris. As are air and solvent sprays for blasting out debris from the trigger mech that can’t be reached. Reassembly requires the bolt to be in enough so that the hammer drops into the cut-out in the carrier. Then slide the pistol grip forward so you can insert the front pin. Fit the locking block and screw, slide on the butt and put in the rear pin and you’re done.

Up and running

With all the crud removed, it worked fine and if anything ran a tad smoother, as it had eased in a little. I fitted a Nightforce, NXS 2.5-10x24 compact, with its illuminated, Mil-Dot reticule it offers low power for close in work yet can be wound up to X10 for longer/precision shots. Plus this short optic really suited the GSG5!

Accuracy-wise the GSG5 was pulling around 1 ½” at 50-yards with the HVs, yet was more accurate (sub-1”) with the slower sub-sonics. But like any rimfire semi, it’s all a matter of finding the right fodder and when clean the GSG runs happily on subs… Though the mushy trigger took a bit of getting used to. The moderator proved efficient with both ammo types.

What I did like was the noise the gun makes as the bolt holds open after the last shot. From a Practical Shooting perspective this will speed up magazine changes. Likewise the well positioned cocking handle is a boon for stoppage drills.

What you want to do with the GSG5 is down to you, but I see it more as a club level gun for Practical-type use and it’s a huge amount of fun too. But the moddy does move it on to a fast fire rabbit basher, but here I would say consider how it looks; as it’s identical to the world’s favourite 9mm SMG…

Overall this is a fun gun with a deal of practicality that adds realism and choice to those who want a military look-a-like rimfire, which certainly includes me…

We Reckon:
• A great 22 look-a-like
• Keep it clean
• Lots of accessories

GSG for 2009
Now that York Guns have the German Sport Gun distributorship they have hit the ground running. The basic GSG5 (with dummy moddy) will soon be joined by the GSG5SD, which features a large oversized barrel shroud and tubular/ribbed forend. I was also told that they will be offering a warranty/repair service for any rifles that need it.

Currently here’s what you can get in terms of extras:
GSG-5 SD                         £549.00
Scope Mount High/Low           £56.00
Scope Mount Low                 £42.00
Moderator GSG-5                 £79.95
Moderator GSG-5 SD             £89.95
Magazine 22-rounds               £34.00
Retractable Stock                 £47.00
Folding Stock                     £56.00

New too, and available in a few months will be the GSG-47, which is a copy of the famous KalashnikovAK47. It will be available in two models, black synthetic (P) or wood stock (W)  furniture and with a large range of add on accessories, that will include scope mounts, forward grips, side-folding stocks etc. I saw one at IWA and it does look good.

Technical Specifications
Name GSG5
Calibre 22 Long Rifle
Capacity 24 (DM)
Barrel 16”
Length 33 ½”
Weight 6.6 lbs
Sights Y
Last round hold open Y
Price £520
Spare magazine £30

All Prices Are Guides Due to the Changes in US & European Exchange Rates

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User Comments
  • I would consider getting one of these but need it to be moderated for rabbitting. My local gunsmith says it's not possible - is it possible and if so who does it ?

    Comment by: Roger     Posted on: 12 Mar 2009 at 02:54 PM

  • Yes it would be possible, but the dummy moddy would have to be removed first. Also please bear in mind that the barrel cannot be shortened as it was made that long to keep the GSG5 a Section 1 firearm.

    An important consideration is the look, as you would be running around with what appears to be an MP5 in your hands; regardless of the fact it’s a legal 22 semi-auto rifle... Frankly there are a lot better rifles to go rabbiting with, as this one is better kept on the range...
    Be sensible as we are all ambassadors for our sport

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 17 Mar 2009 at 10:15 AM

  • A moderator for this is now available from these people... £120.00
    http://www.qsmsilencers.co.uk/gsg5 stats.html

    Comment by: Paul Nichols     Posted on: 26 Mar 2009 at 02:08 PM

  • Thanks, I'll check that out...

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 27 Mar 2009 at 10:25 AM

  • Pete,
    I dont mean to be annoying but saying there are more better guns to be using for rabbits and running around with one in the country and not on a range is kind of what the government want us to think, they want to take the fun out of our sport, I wish to buy one for rabbiting and plinking at cans and spinners, and I have canceled my club membership and wish not to shoot there because the laws and police moderation of clubs and membership has gone beyond belief, so me and some other shooters just plink informally with landowners permission where we hunt, and I already own a bolt Cz .22 and have another .22 slot, so I thought I will buy one one day for plinking and bunnies, sorry to say otherwise to you but we need to keep the fun in our sport.

    Rob

    Comment by: rob     Posted on: 19 Apr 2009 at 08:44 PM

  • Rob

    No problem about keeping the fun in the sport, but and by the same token the GSG5 is a high profile gun and likely to draw a lot of unwanted attention if seen on the land as opposed to the range, by those who don't know any better. That's where I was coming from... Truth is it's far easier to justify a 22 bolt-action or even sporting semi-auto for bashing rabbits, which is a world away from high-capacity, fun plinking with what is an SMG look-a-like.

    I'm well up for guns like this provided they are used in the right context...

    PM

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 20 Apr 2009 at 10:42 AM

  • I understand, but I wish the country had an understanding of having fun, not going against you, your thoughts are rather sensible, but I wish I could have one of these guns without having a club membership, like I said erlier, "police moderation and membership procedures are beyond belief".

    Comment by: rob     Posted on: 20 Apr 2009 at 12:17 PM

  • Yep you are right; however, it's not just the police who are anti, as many shooters who consider themselves 100% sensible object to what could be termed as the more exotic equipment. After the handgun ban a number of clubs decided to ban the use of long barrelled revolvers and the list goes on of individual gun owners and associations who have over the years done their best to get kit they don't like banned.

    Until all shooters in the UK agree that as long as an item is legal and used responsibly and all pull together in the same direction then the government will do its best to divide and conquer. Such is life…

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 20 Apr 2009 at 03:19 PM

  • I understand again, At the british shooting show i shot one of these, fairly accurate at 10 yrds lol, I just think it would be great to plink with at the field.
    I dream of days when gun lisecing will relax, Really you should be allowed a fac for rimfire and centrefire (upto certain calibre depending on reason), and be allowed to use it for what you like.

    Comment by: rob     Posted on: 20 Apr 2009 at 04:42 PM

  • whats wrong with hungting with an mp5!! very accurate! and how does an mp5 become more dangerious then a bolt action 10 shot sporting rifle?????

    the US army use 7.62mm BOLT action rifles for sniper attacks on the enemy and there are much more powerfull then the 5.56mm m16 assult rifle issued to normal soilders!!

    Comment by: 8mm     Posted on: 22 May 2009 at 03:10 PM

  • Dear Mr 8mm (cool handle). It's not about dangerous, as no gun is more deadly than another, it's all about the image. There are plenty of airgun, rifle and shotgun hunters who have had their collars felt by a firearms team because Jo Public has seen a man with a gun and reported it. But an MP5 look-a-like really raises the profile. Can you imagine the front page of the Sun - shooters now using sub machine guns for sport, or similar.

    Do what you like, but have some brains about it...

    I used to use my AR15 for foxing, as I had permision, but it occured to me what sort of image was I portraying - not a good one for the shooting sports! So I keep it on the range now.

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 22 May 2009 at 03:33 PM

  • I'm confused...

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 30 May 2009 at 07:25 AM

  • I agree with you Pete. I have nasty visions of Elmer Fudd running around, blasting away with an MP5, " hawo scwoowy wabbit, eat wed" ! Converting rounds to brass belongs on the range, not in the field. This weapon does look rather fun to shoot though!

    Comment by: Steve     Posted on: 30 May 2009 at 06:46 PM

  • At last a shooter with a sense of perspective... Well said!

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 01 Jun 2009 at 11:55 AM

  • DO YOU KNOW OF ANY CLUBS THAT USE THESE OR ALLOW THE USE OF THESE GUNS, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH OF ENGLAND? AS I AM IMPRESSED WITH THESE GUNS AND WISH TO JOIN A CLUB.

    Comment by: DAVE W     Posted on: 01 Jun 2009 at 05:31 PM

  • There is a club in Maidstone Kent called Bearsted & Thurnham Rifle Club that would allow use of a GSG-5. On a Wednesday night they shoot sporting rifle on a indoor range shooting the pistol target at 20 yards. This replaced the pistol target shooting, most shooters use Ruger 1022`s but any .22 semi auto can be used. Look up details at www.btrc.co.uk

    Comment by: Rob     Posted on: 02 Jun 2009 at 01:43 AM

  • my club we shoot full auto rifles and sig saur 9mm handguns!!! seriouly...no joke......and i am armed 100% of the time when i am working, this club is called the British Army!!!!

    Comment by: sc.5     Posted on: 03 Jun 2009 at 04:30 AM

  • I used to be in that club too, but we did not muck around with tiny guns we used 120mms

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 05 Jun 2009 at 11:34 AM

  • I live in Spain where people have a very sensible attitude towards guns. "Jose Publico" is NOT terrified of them, calling the cops at the mere sight of a gun. The gun laws are as sensible as they can be, if there is such a thing as a sensible gun law ?

    I was looking at one of these GSG5's a week ago. Very nice I thought until I saw the price tag 550 € !!!!. Somebody bought one and was shooting it on the range.

    I thought to myself my Ruger 10/22 in the U.K was better than that and a lt was much cheaper. A lot of money for a .22 rimfire rifle that just looks like a submachine gun.
    So I bought a Magtech 7022.............10 round clip only but hey what a great little toy for 170 €

    Comment by: Steve     Posted on: 12 Jun 2009 at 08:42 PM

  • its bit more then a .22 that looks like a sub machine gun....its essential an mp5 chambered for .22 abait maby not tough as the orginal. In fact its more accurate then 9mm version.....at 50m i fired three shots in under a 1inch

    then again a semi auto only 9mm mp5 would be just be like any other 9mm carbine out there and just as good

    Comment by: hk     Posted on: 13 Jun 2009 at 04:02 PM

  • I am VERY familiar with the H+K MP5 in 9mm. This GSG5 is just a blowback .22 rifle action that is NOTHING like the MP5 9mm action.

    It definately NOT as tough or resilient in it's construction.

    Granted the guy who was shooting it at our club was doing so very accurately. However what .22 rifle isn't highly accurate?
    I just think they are very expensive, as all you are paying for is novelty looks and nothing more.

    Comment by: Steve     Posted on: 13 Jun 2009 at 06:45 PM

  • This is very true, but variety is the spice of life and at the moment Mil-type, hi-cap 22 semis are very popular. Also you can hardly expect this gun to be built the same as a real MP5 with a roller lock delay breech system etc, as it is just not needed. It's all about the look of the thing, I should be getting the AK47 version soon and I would guess that uses the self same, blow-back action as the GSG5...

    PM

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 15 Jun 2009 at 10:23 AM

  • Just received and tested my Quicksilver moderator and the rifle is now a pleasure to shoot. Very nice finish and it is fully strippable for cleaning. Had waited long enough for one of these to come out.

    Comment by: Simon Hughes     Posted on: 17 Jun 2009 at 10:25 PM

  • my point being there are 9mm semi auto only versions of the mp5 - for civillians - and that is just another 9mm semi auto carbine. But the orginal mp5 with its full auto is a totally different machine and cant be compared

    Comment by: hk     Posted on: 18 Jun 2009 at 01:28 AM

  • The only true differences between a civilian carbine and a ful spec MP5 is the fire selector mech and possibly barrel length. Anyway the whole thing is academic as we can own neither in the UK... Back in the good old days I used to own a civilian UZI and the only difference was its 16" barrel and semi-auto only mech, which fired from a closed bolt and used a firing pin as opposed to the API (open bolt) system of the true sub gun version.

    PM

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 18 Jun 2009 at 11:04 AM

  • Tel me more about the Quick Silver moddy please - price, supplier etc

    Cheers
    PM

    Comment by: Pete Moore     Posted on: 18 Jun 2009 at 11:06 AM

  • what are you talking about hk?! Each MP5 is the same its just the trigger assembly that can be exchanged to give you full auto 3 round bursts or semi auto. Its the same gun. We have semi auto versions at work, change the pistol grip and you have full auto. The internals are identical, if they were any different I wouldnt know how to strip em!

    Comment by: Jamie     Posted on: 22 Jun 2009 at 11:09 PM

  • Ordered one of these Quicksilver mods for the GSG-5 and will collect it at the CLA, where they will have their mods for sale at the FA Anderson stand. They might be doing a show price for their mods, so might be worth a look.

    Comment by: JB     Posted on: 04 Jul 2009 at 01:08 PM

  • I stoped at york guns today and had a look at one i tell you i going do a veriation on my fac to get one , yes it is a bit expensive but i am not a drinker or smoker and just a few nights out doing that you nearly paid for it . it is only the shooting ground the problem as it not a gun you would just like to shoot at a range at paper targets . it will be a great gun to teach my lad the responsibilty of safe firearm handling while he can enjoy it to

    Comment by: Nigel coetzee     Posted on: 24 Jul 2009 at 08:45 PM

  • i have got a gsg5 and do enjoy it but have just seen the sd in the armoury very good looking weapon but i am wanting to know are the manufacturers going to bring out the larger dummy shroud so i can get one if anyone has got one or knows where to get one this would be greatly appreciated

    Comment by: neil     Posted on: 01 Aug 2009 at 05:45 PM

  • Yes Pete you are absolutely right. A friend mine here has just taken delivery of a civilian 9mm MP5 here in Spain. A few days later we were given a tour of the armoury of the Guardia Civil Comandancia in Malaga. There I was handed a H+K MP5K...........yes the 9mm shorty SELECTIVE FIRE version.

    The ONLY difference to Jeff's gun apart from the overall length was the trigger group, which looked swappable? But Jeff's civvie version is OUTSTANDING. Bushnell holosight and 30 round mags.............AHHHHH Me encanta Espana!

    Don't get me wrong I am not knocking the GSG5 in any way, it is great. I just think it is a bit expensive for what it is.

    Comment by: Steve     Posted on: 10 Aug 2009 at 11:03 AM

  • hk have sued gsg in the usa....as a result the us importers (ati) are now banned for life for saling or imorting and more .22 mp5 into the usa! this does not effect europe but its not a good sign....bloody stupid HK but since they hate civillians owning they guns, only want law enforcement to have such weapons

    Comment by: joe six pack     Posted on: 11 Nov 2009 at 02:31 PM

  • hk has sued gsg in the usa....so from the us importers are now banned for life from importing or saleing an .22 mp5 in the states....this does not effect europe but is not a good sign...bloody stupid hk......they ignore civillian market in fact hate them having they weapons they only want law enforcement

    Comment by: joe six pack     Posted on: 11 Nov 2009 at 02:33 PM

  • I'm interested in purchasing either one of these or the SGC V22 primarily for target shooting (and perhaps later a bit of vermin bashing) - which is the better buy out of the two? Opinions please smile

    Comment by: Stuart Black     Posted on: 08 Dec 2009 at 01:41 PM

  • I have now twice been subject to Governments knee jerk draconian legislation,both Consertative and labour, The S.L.R ban in 1987 and the Pistol Ban,nither have made the U.K. any safer,and murder rates continue to grow.

    Unfortunatly nither our current Government nor i suspect the next Government, will give either of the above back to us, it just will not happen,they will always quote Hungerford and Dunblane, as a reason NOT to relax the legislation, as much as we would wish common sence would dictate.

    The U.K. Population view of Shooting and firearms is not positive, due to many reasons, Negative publicity in the Press,a culture that is changed from previous generations, that believed in the defence of the Realm, etc.and I suspect would not support the law being changed.

    Therefore we have to continue to shoot with what we are permitted to by the unjust law that was passed, and ended our freedom of choice, here in the U.K. but not N/Ireland.
    German Sport guns have introduced the GSG5 which is excellent,and I have now shot for the last 2 years on the Range, (Advanceing Man) (P.P.! / Service/ P.P.2) etc, and both S & W and Colt are introduceing .22 versions of the AR15, which appear to be excellent .22 R/F Copies for the above type of Shooting, use them wisely on the range in Mini rifle comps and practical Style Range Shoots,with full R.C.O. Supervision, but taking Assault Type rifles into the field,even if they are legal, is asking for trouble, and further legislation,just because there lawfull does not make there use in the field either sensible or practical, a number of comments above support this view.
    I am ex military and shot both pistols and H & K 9mm in a law inforcement role, and miss shooting them now, but like it or not,unless you want Government to inforce further legislation on law abideing shooters, use these
    type of Rim Fire Firearms sensibly, and dont give our enemies justification to add more draconian legislation, to curb lawfull shooters and shooting.

    As to the comments by Rob re plinking in the countryside,with a .22 GSG5 i would suggest he read the relevent Firearms Law, if its not an MOD or NRA approved range he cannot do it, he is breaking the law, weather he has permission of the land Owner or Not,to do this,also by giving up membership of a Home Office Approved Club, he has also given up his Reason to possess, unless he had duel purpose use on his certificate.
    He is not Shooting Rabbits, or vermin,so therefore it is deemed to fall within the heading of Target shooting, and NO R.C.O. would allow such practice on a Range any how, Targets fine, Tin Cans are a No, No. use an Airrifle if you have to do this.

    I would dearly like to see the Pistol and SLR Ban lifted, and return to our Freedoms of 20 + years ago, and would like to see the next Government, review it, and see it for what it was, an Election tool, but i am not going to hold my breath, use what we have sensibly,or we will loose it.

    Comment by: cowleysam     Posted on: 21 Dec 2009 at 09:09 PM

  • I've been looking at the GSG 5 for a while, i was considering a straight pull 9mm MP5 and was informed that there was at least one in the UK, main problem being barrel length and £1200 price tag, this makes the GSG 5 look a bargain add the price difference on ammo and its pure fun. I'll see if I can try before I buy as it will be replacing my Walther G22 and I don't want to make that mistake again.

    Comment by: Big Al     Posted on: 22 Dec 2009 at 05:51 PM

  • im looking to be buying one of these for a club compitition rifle but also at the same time wanting to take this to the farm for rabbit control at closer ranges, for longer ranges out to 150 yards ill leave to the cz varmint . So obviously i want this to be as quiet as possible. I'm wanting the sd version of the gsg5 and my question is are there any mods i can put on in replacement to the dummy mod on the sd version??


    Craig

    Comment by: craig ross     Posted on: 08 Feb 2010 at 07:24 PM

  • Craig

    Ref your comments about the SD. Yes a fully functioning SD can is available from the importers. If you check out the Feb 2010 edition of Shooting Sports I wrote an article on the full range of GSG extras that includes the cans.

    Cheers
    PM

    Comment by: pete moore     Posted on: 09 Feb 2010 at 11:08 AM

  • can these guns be fitted with actual mods and not dummy ones, im looking to buy the SD version for both club use for compititions and also bunny bashing at close ranges, i want the gun to be as quiet as possibly obviously for the bunny bashing so can these dummy ones be taken off the SD version and be replaced with real ones, ive seen a few of the SD ones with mods called gemtech.I dont know if these have been specially made for the gsg-5 but it does have ' GSG5-SD ' written on the mod??



    thanks craig

    Comment by: craig ross     Posted on: 09 Feb 2010 at 05:49 PM

  • i know of someone who is in police firearms armed response unit his opinion of the gsg-5 is it is a load of total crap which iS NOTHING like an hk mp5, its accuracy is rubbish, its put togather just like a toygun, the paint and metal will come off and will fall apart, the trigger is plastic and nothing like the real thing
    The hk mp5
    Is all steel, it will never brake, you drop it, drive over it, the paint will not come off never jambs, accuracy is amazing it will shoot half inch groups at 200 yards using just the irons
    In rapid fire mode, and above all its chambered in a real firearm caliber 9mm not a silly crappy .22

    Comment by: old hag     Posted on: 03 May 2010 at 06:28 PM

  • I know of someone who works in police armed response unit and his opionion of the gsg-5 is thus:- its load of crap put togther like a toygun that has NOTHING in common with the HK MP5.....it has rubbish accuracy, it will break if dropped, the paint will come off, the gun will eventaly fall apart, it has plastic tigger pack and the trigger is an airsoft rubbish nothing like the match trigger of the hk. The bolt is literally from a airgun or a toy causing load of jambs and will evenlty break apart. In short the gsg-5 is total load of obsecne rubbish. You would expect a 'weapon' costing £500 from germany would well made hk mp5 clone.

    The hk mp5 on the other hand is very well made and strong you can drop it and drive over it and not even leave a mark on the gun, the paint will never come off, it never jambs, the bolt is put togather so well, has a match trigger, the accuracy is amazing it will shoot a half inch group at 200 yards in FAST FIRE mode (semi auto not full auto) this goes down to 0.02inchs if you shoot it slowly . you can shoot well over 300 yards with target rifle accuracy.
    and its all steel no plastic crap and no screws anyware to come lose and break....(this where the gsg-5 is put togather like toy putting screws in the bolt housing is stupid)

    also the hk mp5 is chambered in 9mm real caliber not a silly toy rim fire caliber.

    Comment by: haggart     Posted on: 04 May 2010 at 06:32 PM

  • This silly toy literally fell apart after shooting 1000 rounds in it......I had enough crappy .22 I am sticking too centre fire carbines from now on!

    Comment by: mr griffin     Posted on: 05 Mar 2011 at 08:29 PM

  • sorry :cowleysam you are talking rubbish, Iuse my .22 gsg5 for successful bunny raids constantly and never been a problem also like to point out plinking in the woods as you put it is perfectly legal if its at targets with a safe backstop on land where you have the rights to use the weapon,I would like to know where your wonderful font of mis information is from

    Comment by: dave jordan     Posted on: 19 Jun 2011 at 12:30 AM

  • I owned a GSG 5 for about a year it spent more to being repaired than
    being shot I would try the colt M16 .22 just as fun and never jammed
    shoots well up to 100 meters on iron sights and I fitted a aimpoint comp ac3
    12 MOA at 100 yard hits a golf ball on string everytime

    Dont waste your money on a GSG 5

    Comment by: St     Posted on: 15 Jul 2011 at 02:09 AM

  • Yes I would agree that reliability is the issue with the GSG5, from my expierence this is mainly down to fast fouling build up causing stoppages. Which is exacerbated by the rather long-winded stripping process required to clean the action.

    Comment by: peter moore     Posted on: 15 Jul 2011 at 08:47 AM

  • yes reliabiltily was the main problem having found that cheap ammo did not work and having had the sliding head of the bolt crack which is cast alu all in all poor show
    GSG have very little after sale service they had my gunfor about four months and when it cameback they had made just a weld on the head of the bolt I firered five rounds and it broke again
    I then refused the gun and demanded they change under warrenty no luck
    there
    I was offered by the gunshop a colt m16 .22 made by walther and this is a great gun like the GSG 5 very accurate but allows you to use a much better range of ammo you can also adjust the cocking spring depending on what ammo you have HV or not this allows you to shoot cheaper ammo
    The GSG 5 should have been very good and having had both a 9mm and then a .22 they are not that far apart its a shame the GSG 5 was not that little bite better built

    Comment by: stephen berry     Posted on: 15 Jul 2011 at 09:48 AM

  • M24

    Comment by: cc3     Posted on: 12 Nov 2011 at 09:24 PM

  • Hi guy's. I just bough a low mount for my new GSG 5 SD. I know this might sound stupid but can someone please tell me how i fit it ?? Ive had a look at it and cant see how you fix it. I also bought a dual shot laser and reflex sight what do you's think of this set up ? As you can see im new to all this.

    Comment by: Martin Loughran     Posted on: 13 Feb 2012 at 08:24 PM

  • 1/2 inch groups at 200yds with iron sights?
    shoots to 300yds with target rifle accuracy?

    is it april the first???????

    these people have not shot 1/2 inch groups at 200yds , i'd bet the farm on it so to speak in fact i'll give anybody £100 new english pounds if they allow me to watch them shoot a 1/2" group at 200yds with a 9mm mp5 using iron sights or any other sight they feel will help turn this mediocre pistol round smg into a benchrest rifle!

    Comment by: russ     Posted on: 16 Mar 2012 at 03:31 PM

  • I think you win your bet for a Mp5 9mm at 200 meters

    I would make the yards but not very well grouped I have shoot to 100 meters with one it holds a good group

    I think its not the gun but the shooter

    here in france they have much better ranges and we have lots more calibers to play with The only rule no belt feeds

    Comment by: stephen berry     Posted on: 17 Mar 2012 at 07:21 PM

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