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Hatsan AT44-10

Pete Wadeson tests the first PCP from Hatsan, the AT44-10 a 10-shot capacity multi-shot with more than a few familiar features…

Turkish gun manufacturers Hatsan have a long history in producing shotguns and spring powered air rifles. A large selection of these are imported into the UK by Edgar Brothers, so no surprises that they’ve taken it upon themselves to bring in Hatsan’s first precharged pneumatic (PCP) air rifle.

On first inspection you can’t fail to notice quite a few familiar features now seen on established air rifles which I’ll detail as we come to them. However, largely due to the stock design it does have a character of its own and during testing I certainly warmed to the overall format.

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Hatsan has chosen to go with the synthetic trend now quite literally taking over on many air rifles. I’ve no qualms with that, as a lot of thought has obviously gone into the stock design and personally I was pleased to see both a thumbhole and adjustable sliding rubber butt pad flanking the angular fully ambidextrous medium height cheekpiece.

Chequering is impregnated into the moulding at the grip but fluting is used along the top edge of the forend, which is very comfortable to hold due to the generously rounded profile and thickset rear section. There does seem to be a lot of air reservoir on this rifle but you’d be wrong in thinking this translates into the rifle having a large shot capacity. Charging is via a quick fill push in probe via an inlet at the front of the reservoir and a 190-bar fill gives approximately 50 full power shots, with approximately 40 in .177 calibre.

I didn’t realise it at the time but this was only the start of me discovering some ‘strange’ traits and features of the rifle. One not so strange was the air gauge positioned at the very front of the air reservoir. Incidentally, the air reservoir is removable should you want to take a spare, and if going on a longish lamping session or feral pigeon cull you just might be glad you have one ready to replace the original.

The action is very familiar in layout reminding me of a cross between the HW100 due to the side-lever cocking whilst the 10-shot removable steel magazine just screamed Webley Raider 10. I make no apologies for making these comparisons especially as the ‘lever’ cocking action and magazine system work so well together. It was while loading up I started to realise that the rifle’s action had some very familiar features, although it also has some creditable ones of its own. The first is the magazine’s ball ended brass retaining pin. To remove the magazine you first need to pull back the side-lever, then push forward the magazine retaining pin. As I’m so used to these types of systems forcibly ejecting magazines out - to be lost or get covered in dirt as they hit the deck - imagine my surprise when I pushed forward the spring tensioned retainer to discover it locks forward to allow the magazine to be lifted out of the right hand side of the raised action block. There is a slight ‘ejection’ but such are the high tolerances of engineering I found if you tilted the rifle slightly to the left the magazine would stay in its housing. This made me look more closely at the visible mechanical parts of the rifle and I was impressed at the standard of workmanship that had obviously gone into making them.

Once the steel magazine is removed, you place a pellet into each of the 10 chambers and then replace it back into its housing, pulling back the retaining pin then pushing forward the side-lever. The rifle’s now cocked and loaded (the trigger safety will have automatically engaged on pulling back the side-lever). This trigger safety is familiar looking, as it’s the spit of the pop out style seen on the Webley Blackhawk, right down to the ribbing on the top and when pushed in to disengage a red dot is visible through a hole in the air reservoir end cap. It can also be re-set manually if you don’t take a shot by simply pulling it back. The 2-stage adjustable trigger unit is quite classy looking due to the nicely curved and gold anodised blade. The trigger has a few interesting features and is better designed than you might first suppose, so it’s not all looks but precise as well. The trigger can be externally adjusted for both first and second stage length of pull, but to adjust the ‘release’ pressure adjustment the action needs to be removed from the stock.

The action block is quite wide and lengthy, so Hatsan have made full use of this and machined not one but two sets of full-length scope rails. Apparently one dovetail is to accommodate standard airgun mounts while the other accepts 22mm mounts – must be a Turkish thing! So no problems mounting this rifle with a lengthy scope or getting spot on eye-relief, and thanks to that sliding adjustable butt pad a precise head position is guaranteed for optimum gun control.

I opted to fit an AGS 3-12 X 44 Mini SWAT on the rear section of the generous scope rail and as the muzzle is threaded ½” UNF I spun a Logun CCFC carbon fibre silencer upfront which sent the rifle to 44.5” in overall length. At this stage balance and handling all seemed to be working nicely, the stock now tailored to my preference, and I was ready to set zero.

Though the 19.5” barrel is free floating and has a support band towards the front of the stock the first few brands of quality ammo I used just wouldn’t group. Initially, in my opinion I presumed the AT44-10 overly pellet fussy. However, I discovered a strange trait while trying to set zero. I’d fire through a magazine, then using the same ammo fire another ten shot string and the group would be different – either tighter or very bad. When I found pellets that did group such as Air Arms Field and Daystate FT, I noticed my best groups at my set 25-yd zero being sub-one-inch where due to me seating the pellets into the magazine in a specific way. I’ve heard of a barrel being pellet fussy but never a magazine being ‘loading’ fussy. Seems you need to seat them as flush as possible to the rear but obviously not protruding at the front or back. Also this magazine preferred longer pellets. With a silencer upfront muzzle report is very low, accuracy is acceptable once you sort the loading and ammo but the handling and design of the stock and attention to detail of the metalwork and action are in my opinion what make this rifle a Turkish Delight!

Technical Specifications
Model Hatsan AT44-10
Type Lever-action, Multi-Shot PCP
Magazine 10 shot rotary
Calibre .22 on test .177 available
Stock Synthetic thumbhole sporter
Sights Not fitted, but action grooved for scope mounting
Barrel 19.5”
Price £450 including two magazines

All Prices Are Guides Due to the Changes in US & European Exchange Rates

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User Comments
  • hi i was wondering where i might be able to get one of these i live in the northeast near middlesbrough do u know of any dealers in the area ??

    Comment by: Liam     Posted on: 08 Aug 2009 at 11:02 AM

  • Give Edgar Bros (the official importer) a call on 01625 613177 for a list of your nearist stockists.

    Comment by: pat farey     Posted on: 09 Aug 2009 at 01:25 AM

  • can you fit a srap to the hatsan AT44-10

    Comment by: Bill \procter     Posted on: 26 Aug 2009 at 05:39 PM

  • i have a hatsan AT44-10 its my 1st air rifle and i found i was huting dead on just after a few shots but it dose not have a any mounts 4 a stap !!!

    Comment by: robert patton     Posted on: 23 Feb 2010 at 01:12 PM

  • If you want sling swivels I'm sure that a competent gunsmith could attach them for you. Alternatively you can get slings that 'loop' onto the rifle at the pistol grip and forend, therefore not requiring standard sling swivels.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 23 Feb 2010 at 11:52 PM

  • Brilliant silencer, uncannily quiet. Superb lever action loading (anti two up the spout!) Seems to be wildly inaccurate when charged to above 175 bar (air arms field) and down to 160 bar.

    Any suggestions re ammo?

    Still impressed

    Comment by: chrissy     Posted on: 23 Mar 2010 at 06:20 PM

  • As the reviwer (Pete Wadeson) said in the article, Air Arms Field and Daystate FT pellets worked well (which suggests that JSB Exacts and other pellets based on that design would work well too).

    However, as he he also mentioned, the pellets have to be seated flush to the rear of the magazine for the best results. Try this first before looking for faults in the pellets that you are currently using.

    If they still go astray, try one of the pellet brands suggested above. If you still have problems with grouping after this, contact the supplier that you bought the rifle from or the distributor (Edgar Bros.)

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 25 Mar 2010 at 11:04 AM

  • I have my at44-10 and am very pleased with it, its fitted with bsa 3 - 12 -50 scope, cluelite lamp on the scope, sling and i only shoot at night with it and can bang out bunnies to about 45m quite easily.

    Comment by: shane stanley     Posted on: 01 Jun 2010 at 01:52 PM

  • oh yeah, i found that Field Target Trophy's were best suited to my Hatsan,

    Comment by: shane stanley     Posted on: 01 Jun 2010 at 01:56 PM

  • i bought my hatsan at44 about 2 weeks ago now and god do i love it once i had set the scope at 40mtrs i could not be more happier i have always had hws in the past and now owning a hatsan i think its the way forward there shotguns are second to none and there pcp is comin on the same.

    Comment by: jamie cooke     Posted on: 16 Jun 2010 at 11:31 PM

  • lestin guyes, can you hook me up with a site where i can buy i silencer for my at44-10, becuz when i bought it, it was without a silencer and its just too loud, so i thought you guyes can help me out makin my at44-10 a stealth shot

    Comment by: Fisher     Posted on: 23 Jun 2010 at 06:04 PM

  • The AT44 has a standard 1/2" UNF screwcut muzzle so it takes any popular moderator - any gunshop or gun website should be able to supply one.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 25 Jun 2010 at 05:28 PM

  • i bought an at44-10 with hawk 3-9x50 mil dot scopes and an edger bros silencer cos the price was right and it looked the dogs b****** .
    but first time shooting it i was very disapointed. at 30yards i shot 2 mags and not one hit the a4 size target. after 3 hours i still havent managed to get it zeroed.

    Comment by: nigel purves     Posted on: 09 Jul 2010 at 10:18 PM

  • Try zeroing it much closer - at a measured 10yds - also use a bigger target backing (like the reverse side of a piece of wallpaper), so you can see where the shots are going if the scope is 'well out'. Once you get a tight group at 10yds, move your target back out to 30yds and you should be able to get a group.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 10 Jul 2010 at 09:46 AM

  • tryed the zero at 10 yards still no joy so took gun back to euroguns in donny they told me the pellets were hitting the inside of the silencer poss a faulty silencer. gave me a new silencer let me try it out on their indoor range. still no better so one of their staff had a go. the out come is it has a faulty barrel and needs to be sent away. had got a days hunting planed for sunday so im a bit miffed

    Comment by: nigel purves     Posted on: 10 Jul 2010 at 05:31 PM

  • Sometimes you do get a wrong'un, but at least it is beng sorted.
    Let us know how you get on when rifle comes back.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 10 Jul 2010 at 06:40 PM

  • had the hatsan for a month ...had problems getting tight groups...tryed all different brands of pellits still no good ...removed the front barrel band and the rifle is now doing 1/2" ten shot groups at 30mtrs......

    Comment by: matt     Posted on: 18 Jul 2010 at 04:06 PM

  • Free floating the barrel is always a good idea for improved accuracy as long as it doesn't expose the barrel to the possibility of damage. Try having the barrel band reamed out to give a clearance right around the barrel circumference, while still giving a measure of protection against accidental knocks.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 19 Jul 2010 at 09:24 AM

  • Just purchased a Hatsan AT44w-10 in .22 with a free silencer for £275 brand new!! Looked around before i bought it and considered a BSA ultra, webley Raider or Air Arms S200. After taking all things into consideration and reading up as much as i could, i opted for the Hatsan due to what i got for my money.
    I have set it up today and mounted a Bushnell 3-9x50 Scope and started useing Air Arms Field diablo pellets. I would get groups to start at 10 yards of about "1/2 with the odd stray. I was shooting from a bench rest in windless conditions and was hopeing for things to be a little tighter at this range. I had a few H&N Field Target pellets kicking about, so tried these. What a difference!! Perfect 1 hole groups of 10 shots about 5mm across. Seems the barrel may be a little fussy with pellaet selection which i will explore a little further, but H&N seem the way forward due to their lighter wieght i think.
    As for the rest of the gun, it's not got the build quality of other 'Mainstream' manufacturers, but it's not of the chinese quality either but falls some where in between. The woodwork is excelent and the cocking system works a treat, indexing the pellets as smoothly as you could want straight from the box. With use, i hope things will get a little more 'bedded in'. The Silencer makes things 'garden friendly' and quietens things to an acceptable level.
    Up to yet all seems good, and esspecially for what i paid for the gun, but time will tell.

    Andy.

    Comment by: andy crofts     Posted on: 01 Aug 2010 at 02:15 AM

  • I own AT44-10 walnut, classical stock. It performs OK, the only problem is trigger, it creeps and is practically not adjustable. Advertising it as "two stage trigger" is not true, the "stages" are simulated by springs.
    Otherwise it was up to my expectations. Right out of box it was in accordance to specifications - 320m/s with 0,5g pellet. It gave 50 full power shots from 195atm to 100atm. The plateau was OK, for quite heavy JSB Exact Heavy 0,67g pellet the power was 27-30-27J.
    The open iron sight with fiber inserts was excellent, presenting true firearm quality. At 25m distance there was very little difference compared to 4x scope, 10 shots was placed inside a circle with diameter for iron sight 3cm, for scope 2cm.
    Accuracy was acceptable, the best result was 10 shots inside 17mm circle at 25m, and inside 35mm circle at 40m, FT position, JSB Exact Heavy.
    The pellet drop up to 50m is minor, about 5 cm at 50m if zeroed at 25m. At 100m the drop is about 70cm although the pellet has enough power to pierce a plastic soda bottle.

    Comment by: Shooter     Posted on: 09 Aug 2010 at 11:23 PM

  • The 'two-stage trigger' is a bit of a misnomer as in the UK airgunners do use the expression for simulated two stage mechanisms as well as real two stage mechs, whereas firearms users always mean the latter. This is not the only common misuse of a firearms 'term' for airguns in the UK - for instance, the expression 'lock-time' means something totally different when applied to airguns.

    Regarding your accuracy results, they seem more than just 'acceptable' especially as you are having trouble getting the trigger to suit you.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 10 Aug 2010 at 09:29 AM

  • hello i am looking to buy the hatsan AT44-10 with the walnut stock i guess this is the same gun. could you tell me as i am new to pcp rifles is the hand pump used just to top up pressure or is it used instead of a pressure bottle and can be used to fill an empty gun if the latter is true how long does it take to pump an empty gun up to full. also is there any faults or niggles with this gun.

    thanks

    Comment by: anth 69     Posted on: 21 Aug 2010 at 11:32 PM

  • All pre-charged pneumatics (PCPs) only use the highest part of the air pressure in their cylinder - the so-called 'cream' of the air. If you are fit and don't mind a bit of exercise, then manual pumps can be fine for 'topping up' air rifles at the end of a shooting session, but I wouldn't fancy filling up a completely 'empty' cylinder to working pressure just using a stirrup pump. Personally I would always choose to charge from an air bottle unless there was a reason that I couldn't - e.g. living too far away from a compressed air refill service.

    Pete Wadeson - our reviewer - quotes the AT44-10 as giving 40 shots in .177 or 50 shots in .22 with a fill pressure of 190bar. This probably translates to a cylinder pressure of around 110/120bar when a refill is required. This is as much 'pumping' as most people could happily handle.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 22 Aug 2010 at 12:18 PM

  • thanks for that pat much appreciated.could you tell me if hatsan or producing a
    mk2 model of this gun as the walnut stock version i am looking to buy new has 2 barrel band supports fitted , reading these reviews the front band cause grouping accuracy problems , but i notice on hatsans site all the versions of this gun now only have one barrel band bracket fitted which i guess is to cure the accuracy problems but it does not say this is a different version of the rifle

    thanks for any help

    Comment by: anth 69     Posted on: 22 Aug 2010 at 06:26 PM

  • Try giving Edgar Bros. (the official UK importers) a call on 01625 613177. They will be able to tell you the latest specifications and let you know if a Mk2 version is being produced,

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 23 Aug 2010 at 12:48 AM

  • ive owned an AT44-10 walnut .22 since june, ive been shooting for many years and find this an excellent gun, i shoot mainly pigeon and get good clean kills at amazing distances with this gun.
    I use air arms diablo field pellets all the time , i have tried others but they havent worked aswel,l i did find that you have to check the length of your pellet of choice carefully as the air arms huntsman (pointed tip) and most other pointed pellets are too long and the tips foul as the magazine rotates causing mis-shaped pellets that go all over the place.
    This gun in my opinion works best with a fairly heavy pellet and it hasnt let me down out in the field once.

    Comment by: Lloyd rose     Posted on: 09 Oct 2010 at 02:18 PM

  • Over the years I've found that most 'pointed' pellets don't perform well in any air rifle - stick to good quality domeheads and you can't go wrong.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 10 Oct 2010 at 09:38 AM

  • i have found the same Pat, i always try them in any new gun just out of curiosity though and always find the same outcome of bad groupings and stray pelets that are well off target .

    Comment by: Lloyd Rose     Posted on: 11 Oct 2010 at 05:13 PM

  • A previous comment mentioned the iron sights version of the AT44. Does anybody know if this variant is readily available in the UK, and if so, where from? Most stockists seem only to be selling the version without.

    Comment by: Robin     Posted on: 01 Jan 2011 at 03:57 PM

  • Im pretty certain that the AT isnt available with iron sights.
    Forgive if im proved wrong though

    Comment by: Lloyd rose     Posted on: 01 Jan 2011 at 09:46 PM

  • I'm waiting for a reply from Solware about this, as their site advertises the iron sight version. Once I get a reply I'll post the outcome here. Thanks

    Comment by: Robin     Posted on: 04 Jan 2011 at 02:19 AM

  • OK, I got a reply from Carl at Solware. He wrote that the descriptions Hatsan provide mention open sights, but that none of the ones they sell have open sights at all.

    However, I happened to be at Trago Mills (Newton Abbot) this morning, and they had the exact rifle I was interested in - an AT44-10 in .22, with open sights.

    I'm glad I got to see one, if only to get the curiosity out of my system. I guess they're alright for the money, but to be honest I wasn't that impressed with it. Admittedly, it was a typical Trago deal - scuffed up and overpriced - but it just didn't have the same sense of quality about it that my S510 has. The wood stock felt and looked like a charity shop sideboard, and the whole rifle felt very front-heavy. Interestingly, I'd also looked at a synthetic stock one at my local PROPER shop, and that one felt and looked much nicer.

    The Tru-Glo sights on today's rifle were interesting to see, and seemed easy to use, but I think I'd find the little coloured dots a distraction.

    Comment by: Robin     Posted on: 04 Jan 2011 at 01:40 PM

  • After searching the net I also decided on the Hatsan At44-10. Paid about $810 for it here in South Africa. Still struggeling with the grouping of my shot thou. Will try the seating of the pellets and some other kinds. I did found that the heavier pellet have so mutch more stricking power than the others. Pitty is that the heavy Long distance Ts10 from gammo is to loose in the mag and slide around. Hope to get the grouping right soos.

    Comment by: Rene Nel     Posted on: 06 Jan 2011 at 05:49 AM

  • Rene - I purchased my AT44 - 10 from Dads toys in Stellenbosch. Happy with the rifle just very unhappy with the Scope. Cannot get better than a 10cm grouping at 20mtrs. Carried out a massive correction on the scope of 180 Degrees on the scope adjustment (which should translate into a 20 inch correction roughly) with no movement out of the existing 10cm group (or non group!!!) This was both horizontal and vertical! Dealer has offered to change scope for me. I do a lot of shooting with a 7x64 Breneke so familiar with scopes but was very dissapointed with the Nikki Sterling supplied.

    Comment by: Phillip Kaye     Posted on: 07 Jan 2011 at 01:04 PM

  • Hey thanx Phillip. This does not sounds good so far. Is your problem solved yet. I also got a Nikko Stirling 2-7 x 32 Gold Crown. Can itr be the scope? What pellets do you recommend?

    Comment by: Rene Nel     Posted on: 07 Jan 2011 at 01:16 PM

  • Rene I will have to get back to you on the brand, not sure but the were supplied with the weapon. Bought some good quality ones at Twin Bore yesterday and will give them a go this weekend with open sites. Personaly I have never been a fan of Nikko Stirling so never have had one. My wife bought the whole set up as a gift for me so I was not involved. What i suggest you do is give the scope a significant adjustment like I did. Given that @ 25mtr 1 click is around 1/8th of an inch a 160 click adjustment should "correct" the scope in the selected direction by about 20 inches!!. Be sure to count the clicks and take your time with it so you can reverse the process, fire a couple of shots and see if the scope has adjusted. I did this on both the horizontal and vertical adjustments with no movement in the fall of shot - scope is not therefore adjusting as it should.

    Comment by: Phillip Kaye     Posted on: 07 Jan 2011 at 01:27 PM

  • Shot man, now I got the idea. My scope does adjust, but the grouping is very poor. I shot with another tipe of pcp gun at safarie & outdoor were I bought this one and at about 20mts all 3 shots overlaped each other.
    Just something I also realized. The Hatsan 125 witch I also got is rated to 1250fps and this one 1090fps. This AT44-10 hits the targets mutch harder than the 125. Check out my shooting range on youtube at "Pellet Gun Sniper Shooting Range - 75 meter"

    Comment by: Rene Nel     Posted on: 07 Jan 2011 at 02:17 PM

  • bought one of these on saturday from west malling gun shop and spent all day picking up pigeons, would recommend to anyone . previously had a bsa lighting and the hatsan is a thousand times better.

    Comment by: charlie     Posted on: 10 Jan 2011 at 03:02 AM

  • How is your grouping and consistancy on a paper target and also what scope and pellets do you use?

    Comment by: Rene Nel     Posted on: 10 Jan 2011 at 06:05 AM

  • ive just fitted a 50mm hawke scope to my at44 and was zeroing in at work the other day at an exact measured 100ft using air arms diablo field pellets i was quite impressed and am getting 1" groups with it over that distance

    Comment by: Lloyd rose     Posted on: 11 Jan 2011 at 07:20 PM

  • I got myself the Diabolo EXACT match grade pellets and all my problems is solved. Grouping is perfect shooting from a bench. I have also tried the seating and non seating of the pellets and it made no diffirance. If you look at the loading meganism its clear that the pellet can only be pushed in the barrel the distance the pin is that pushes it in, so it is impossible that it makes any diffirance. I've loaded my mag with pellets so that not one sits the same and it made no diffirance.

    Comment by: Rene Nel     Posted on: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:15 AM

  • hi i want to buy the hatsan at44s-10 shooting only 100m distance only for recreation and I am really confused with all the comments ... What do I do? from already thank you very much

    Comment by: Pablo usuliax     Posted on: 30 Jan 2011 at 01:22 AM

  • The Hatsan AT44s-10 is an air rifle. There are very few air rifles that will shoot to 100m accurately, and those that do will have a much higher power than the Hatsan model on test here. I suggest that you look at .22 rimfire cartridge rifles for target shooting at 100m.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 30 Jan 2011 at 01:58 PM

  • thank you very much for your comment and seen many video showing how at44-10 shooting with PCP over 100 m to achieve the target PCP tell you who else I can find in stores that have a good quality. It is my only recreation profecional'm not a shooter. no matter if only one shot of the 20 shots is good.
    .22 rifles in my country carries a great paper and you can not throw out the mountains as easy as a PCP.
    thank you very much for your answers!

    Comment by: Pablo usuliax     Posted on: 31 Jan 2011 at 12:37 AM

  • Received and fitted the new scope Nikki Sterling and shot at the weekend. Measured 50m in the open and achieved good groupings (7-8cm) more than adequate for my plinking! I'm sure tighter groupings would be achievable in a controled environment but I went out to 50m to fine tune the scope. the replacement confirmed my suspicions on the original scope. now happy with the rifle and thanks to Dads Toys in Somerset West Mall for their help!!

    Comment by: Phil     Posted on: 31 Jan 2011 at 11:26 AM

  • hi iv had my hatsan at44-10 for about 3 weeks now its my first pcp rifle and its a great gun very accurate onme thing i have noticed is that it seems to take the pellet a long time to hit the target once fired maybe its just me as im used to louder airguns also mine has 2 bands supporting the barrel does this make difference and does anyone have any suggestions in terms of tuning it thanks

    Comment by: George     Posted on: 21 Feb 2011 at 03:53 PM

  • George - I had the Hatsan 125 before this AT44-10. The 125 shoots at 1250fps and the AT44-10 at 1090fps. I realised that the AT44-10 hits the same targets I use at a mutch greater force. I cannot help but mention the pellets again. It made a worlds difference when I switched over to Match grade Diabolo pellets. Accuracy is just so mutch better. I only notice now that the rifle on the review has only one band on the barrel - mine has got 2 also, but as long as anything that touches the barrel is constant, it is no problem.

    Comment by: Rene Nel     Posted on: 22 Feb 2011 at 06:57 AM

  • rene nel thank you for you help it did throw me at how the pellets took a long time to get there its a good gun and have bin out with it a few times now how many full power shots do you get out of yours befor a refill also how does yours get on with pest controle so far iv only had a pigeon with it at close range how is it for long range il try some new pellets what do you recomend thanks

    Comment by: George     Posted on: 22 Feb 2011 at 09:34 PM

  • I get 50 accurate shots with mine before I recharge it. Must say, I haven't tried more, but rather be safe it you need that power for the killing shot. Try match Grade diabolo pellets, work very well for me.

    Comment by: Rene     Posted on: 28 Feb 2011 at 07:55 AM

  • i there t last 2 coments were did y bye the guns from and how much thanks lads

    Comment by: sean     Posted on: 02 Mar 2011 at 09:18 PM

  • that is there in the air that this model had problems with sealing and cargo lost or not air!?

    Comment by: Pablo usuliax     Posted on: 06 Mar 2011 at 03:24 AM

  • Yea? Tell me more. What exactly does that mean?

    Comment by: Rene     Posted on: 06 Mar 2011 at 10:25 AM

  • There are comments in internet who say they have had problems with the air charge in the at-44. air is lost (does not fit or lose) and that does not contain very well:
    I am very confused because I like to buy this product (at-44) but no longer know what to think!
    Thanks for all your comments

    Comment by: Pablo usuliax     Posted on: 08 Mar 2011 at 02:58 AM

  • Usually we would get to hear of a fault that was common in a particular model, but we have had no reports of air leaks in Hatsan at44-10.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 08 Mar 2011 at 05:04 PM

  • I really thank you very much for getting me all the questions!
    thanks!
    Paul

    Comment by: Pablo usuliax     Posted on: 09 Mar 2011 at 01:15 AM

  • Can someone please tell me the model number of .22 Original (under lever) Airgun which was sold around 1968.I would also like to know where can I get any Airgun magazine of 1968.Thanks.

    Comment by: sultan     Posted on: 16 Mar 2011 at 07:41 AM

  • I've had the AT44S-10 for over 4yrs now and cannot fault it.It's in .22 calibre synthetic stock,mine does have tru-glo sites,but I have a Hawke 4-16x50 map-pro on it,and the best and most accurate pellets I've found are the Logun Penetrators 20.5grn.Nobody seems to have mentioned them on here.
    I have chronyed the gun with these pellets and they averaged 855fps which gave 33fpe at the muzzle..Superdomes which are alot lighter at 14.3grn were 905fps which gave just over 26fpe..
    The loguns gave much more penetration and very hard hitting,even though slower.
    By the way,this gun is rated fac,because here in Bulgaria there is no power restriction on airguns,no need for a license

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 18 Apr 2011 at 01:30 PM

  • I'll be moving to Bulgaria then...

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 18 Apr 2011 at 02:05 PM

  • And the're cheaper here...but I think we all know that most things are cheaper outside the uk

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 18 Apr 2011 at 02:17 PM

  • this gun is too heavy for me.i got exhausted when i was hunting.and this is pellet fussy.i sold my gun and bought benjamin discovery instead which is by par light and very accurate using domed type pellets.and its worth for the money.

    Comment by: nathoi     Posted on: 21 Apr 2011 at 04:01 AM

  • Hi I was wondering how do these guns load ? Do you have to spin the cartridge with your thumb ?? Please help ASAP thanks

    Comment by: michael     Posted on: 23 May 2011 at 06:39 PM

  • Once a loaded magazine is in place, every time you cycle the action a pellet is automatically seated into the breech ready for firing.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 24 May 2011 at 12:53 AM

  • Thats right Pat,the side lever action on mine is quite a smooth operation too.
    All good quality pellets load very well in the 10 shot alloy drum..and there is a mechanism built in so you cannot double load a pellet into the cylinder

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 24 May 2011 at 11:42 AM

  • Initial trigger release-weight was never less than 1400gm and pretty creepy. i've reworked the trigger and now the release weight is 225gm with no creep. It can be done without reducing sear-engagement safety. See http://www.nzairgunners.com/nzairgunforum/showthread.php?t=9928 for details.

    Advice please on where I can buy spare .177 magazines in UK?

    GrahamA

    Comment by: Graham Allardice     Posted on: 13 Jul 2011 at 10:49 PM

  • Edgar Brothers.com.... are the main Hatsan dealer in the uk,I believe,you should be able to get parts from them.
    Steven

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 13 Jul 2011 at 11:25 PM

  • Thanks Steven but Edgar brothers replied that they don't export. Is it illegal to export things like airgun magazines from England?

    Hatsan Turkey referred me to their Australian distributor who in turn referred me to three Australian retailers who also told me it's illegal for them to export.

    When it comes to airguns maybe New Zealand is the last country of the free! Here we have no power limits, anyone over 18 can own an airgun, (Over 16 with a FAL) and only PCP rifles need a FAL. My AT44 is delivering 22 ft/lb using 10.64gn pellets.

    I think it really sucks that the NZ Hatsan distributor won't import PCP parts despite the requirement of our Sale Of Goods Act to provide spare parts for a reasonable period - usually 7 years.

    A year or so ago I sold a BSA Sportsman HV because I' couldn't obtain a second magazine for it. Looks like the AT44 will be following it. Sad.

    Comment by: Graham Allardice     Posted on: 15 Jul 2011 at 06:57 AM

  • What country are you in?? Graham

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 15 Jul 2011 at 07:10 PM

  • Steven
    Thanks for your response. I'm in Wellington New Zealand. My wife is from Devon and she has relatives a-plenty in England who maybe could buy a couple of magazines and post them to me as a gift!

    FYI my current air rifles are a Weihrauch HW98 .177, a very modified Gamo Socom 1000 .177, both with Leapers 4-16x56 SWAT AOE scopes, and a Hatsan AT44X-10 .177 with a Leapers 8-32x56SWAT AOE scope. I use them all for paper and FT shooting.

    Comment by: Graham Allardice     Posted on: 15 Jul 2011 at 10:26 PM

  • Hi Graham.

    My email addy is mestala09@gmail.com send me a mail and I should be able to get you a spare magazine.

    Steven

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 16 Jul 2011 at 07:48 AM

  • Hi again Graham

    Just looked at the stock in my local gun shop and they only have .22 magazines in at the moment.
    Just thought,A colleague of mine on the chinese gun forum is an RFD and he sells Hatsans,he is in Swansea.Couldn't he send the parts[if he has them] to your relatives in Devon,and then post them to you in NZ.
    His name is Will and you can reach him at www.woodfield-gcp.co.uk

    Tell him Steve from Bulgaria told you "Uncle Bulgaria" to all on the site.
    Hope this helps,if not get back to me via the email addy I gave you.
    Steven

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 16 Jul 2011 at 08:20 AM

  • Graham

    Just a thought,the Webley Raider has the same magazine,its basically the same gun.

    Steven

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 16 Jul 2011 at 09:00 AM

  • Has anyone who owns the hatsan AT44-10 successfully mounted a bipod to the gun? If so how? i am aware that a sling swivel stud should be used but im struggling to find one long enough to fit the existing screw holes. Any suggestions!!

    Comment by: Oliver Acland     Posted on: 16 Jul 2011 at 01:41 PM

  • The AT44-10 is great. Can some one explain to me how to refill the air chamber. I have a Hatsan pump.

    Comment by: Tom Benadie     Posted on: 16 Jul 2011 at 08:47 PM

  • Thanks Steven. Great contact info thanks. The relatives I'd ask to help are in Southampton. I wonder if there's a dealer there?

    Oliver, why not remove the stock and bore a new hole for the mounting stud?

    Tom, you need to just pump a lot and as the pressure rises pump harder. It helps if you're at least 75kg too, I fill from a dive bottle,

    Comment by: Graham Allardice     Posted on: 17 Jul 2011 at 07:23 AM

  • A very good rifle. I have had mine for 3 weeks now and love it. I find Gammo pro match pellets very accurate, shooting one hole groups at 25m.

    What is the cost of a spare pressure vessel, as I cant seem to locate one in South Africa?

    Comment by: Steve Yaxley     Posted on: 30 Jul 2011 at 09:31 AM

  • can any one help me please i have been trying to get the manual for a hatsan at44-10, i would be realy grateful thank you.

    Comment by: mr bill barclay     Posted on: 12 Sep 2011 at 05:52 PM

  • If you just type Hatsan Arms Company into google, you can download the only manual that I know of.

    Steven

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 12 Sep 2011 at 07:16 PM

  • can't seem to find out how many joules the hatsan 44-10 in .25/635 produces..
    opinions seem to vary.. 38 joules? some say 47joules..
    anybody know??
    thanks.. rick.

    Comment by: rick     Posted on: 27 Sep 2011 at 10:46 PM

  • Never had the .25 version,find someone who has one and chrony it,then convert the fps to fpe then convert to joules....obviously the different weight of the pellets will give you different results.
    The standard AT44,short air-tube states that it will give you 46 joules...the long tube version states that it will give you 57 joules...
    Steven

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 28 Sep 2011 at 06:04 PM

  • Has anyone heard of a twisting barrel on the AT44-10 because it is on our rifle,but other than that we think that it is a great gun and it is most accurate with the Air Arms Diabalo feild plus pellets

    Comment by: Shelby     Posted on: 16 Oct 2011 at 09:58 AM

  • Not heard of it on a Hatsan, but many years ago I had it happen with a Titan. The barrel support was slack and started to 'rotate' around the air cylinder taking the barrel with it. Is this what is happening to your Hatsan, as the barrel suport set up is similar, but the Titan barrel looked much slimmer than the barrel on the Hatsan which seems quite robust.

    Comment by: Pat Farey     Posted on: 17 Oct 2011 at 10:58 AM

  • I've got the 44-10 hatan air rifle for 6 months and don't understand the rubbish the people are talking about the rifle.
    My grouping at 40metres is 10mm and very happy with the rifle, I use premiere ultra magnum 10.5GR.
    Please send those people to me that I can teach them how to shoot.
    From JHB SA

    Comment by: chris botha     Posted on: 28 Oct 2011 at 08:02 AM

  • Gosh! If any of us here could get my At44X-10 to group 10mm at 40m I'd be delighted. Even using a benchrest, none of my club's best shots can better 35mm at 35m. I've tried different pellets, different filling pressures and even using single-pellet loading to eliminate possible magazine issues. About 1200 pellets later I suspect it's either the barrel (unlikely) or more likely the extremely poorly sized pellet- loading probe which has so much slop that it doesn't enter the lande centrally. Of course it does when closed as the lead-ins do their job, but how do the pellet skirts like that? The magazine-locating probe also is a very sloppy fit which must cause the pellets grief as they are driven into the lande.

    I've reworked the trigger as per an excellent post by an Estonian owner, tidied up the (three) magazines so they pass pellets nicely, have settled on JSB Exact Heavy 4.52mm 10.64gn and use a Leapers 8-32x56 SWAT 30mm. The rifle has also been stripped for lubrication and tighness checking and the barrel and crown look fine.

    The stock shape, trigger and magazine system I like but despair over accuracy has driven me to buy a Steyr LG110 FT .177.

    Before giving up on the Hatsan though, I plan to have a properly sized pellet-loading probe and magazine-locating probe made as illustrated on an excellent You Tube tuning video. It'll be about six weeks before results will be known so until then, fingers crossed.

    Comment by: Graham Allardice     Posted on: 28 Oct 2011 at 09:23 AM

  • Graham
    I don't know why you cannot acheive better accuracy than you say...seriously,when I had the AT44-10, in 5.5...15mm ctc was always a norm at 40mtrs.
    I can actually acheive 40mm ctc with my Bam B30 springer at 40mtrs,this is also in 5.5,the only thing I did with it was a strip and lube,it puts out 18fpe.
    All these shots were made resting on a cushion on top of my workmate bench..
    Keep at it
    Pellets I used for the AT44 were loguns 20.5grn,and the pellets I used for the B30 were Superfields 15.9grn
    Good luck

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 28 Oct 2011 at 04:11 PM

  • Pat

    Would you mind if I could contact you regarding this gun and some tips perhaps? I am opting to buy it very soon.

    Thanks

    Comment by: Johan Zeelie     Posted on: 12 Nov 2011 at 02:42 PM

  • Just seen the advert on this page from Edgar Brothers for the Hatsan Sniper,price 235 quid,wowwwwwwww.
    I live in Bulgaria and it's on sale here at most gun shops for 128 quid at todays exchange rates.WHAT A RIP OFF.
    I bought one about 3 mths ago 29fpe,no restrictions over here

    Comment by: Steven Manderville     Posted on: 16 Nov 2011 at 03:39 PM

  • Hi all

    A while ago, I got myself a new AT44-10. Really impressed with it to a point !! Without a suppressor, grouping spot on and with a Hawke 2-9*50 on, I am happy huntin feral upto about 40-50m.

    HOWEVER..... and it is a big however, with the supp on, the zero goes out the window. No grouping and with the supp on it does seem to "spray" rather than group differently.

    I saw a post on here with a similar problem and two supp's. I'm on my second now and still it does the same. The gunsmith (at no extra cost and excellent service I think) gave me an upgraded walther supp. Still the same so I am thinking it is the thread on the barrel. I am thinking this as without, the grouping is spot on so (maybe wrong here) discounting the barrel.

    Did the replacement or repair work? Does anybody have similar problems?

    Thanks in advance for any help.

    Cheers

    Comment by: Paul     Posted on: 10 Jan 2012 at 10:20 PM

  • As you have had problems with more than one moderator, this would suggest a problem with the screw thread on the rifle's muzzle. Remove the current moderator shine a light through it - check for pellet impact damage, lead smears etc, especially around the inside of the moderator's muzzle.

    If it is a threading problem, the only way around it is to have it re-threaded correctly.

    Comment by: pat farey     Posted on: 11 Jan 2012 at 03:18 PM

  • Pat

    Thanks for the reply. I am thinking the same. I have tried with a torch and can't see anything immediately, but, and I think I am answering my own question here, I got some RWS wadcutters and without the supp, as normal, good clean holes you could score, and with the supp, it rips the paper and almost looks like it is going through spinning widly off centre or even sideways!

    As I have only had the rifle for less than 6 months, I will take it back to the Gunsmiths to have it sorted who will no doubt have it shipped to Edgar Bros. I consider this to be a manufacturing fault if the threads are out, would you say I am right? I don't want to make a fool of myself if it is something I could have caused.

    Thanks again for the reply.

    Paul

    Comment by: Paul     Posted on: 11 Jan 2012 at 06:36 PM

  • @Steven Manderville. i guess your problem is the pressure coming out of the suppressor which affects the flight of the pellet.try to chrony test your gun with and without the suppressor and see the velocity of the pellet.if ever there's a big difference, perhaps your rifle needs a shorter suppressor.try also some other pellet brand and check its groupings with the suppressor on.as what i've learned, pcp loves a heavier pellet(in .22cal 15gr above is preferable).a lighter pellet tends to swirl in its flight especially above 800fps.most airguns love JSB's line of pellets.

    Comment by: nathoi     Posted on: 12 Jan 2012 at 03:03 PM

  • If the muzzle is not cross threaded, it is almost certainly out of line at the time of manufacture.The thread only needs to be marginally out to cause fliers. The other possibility is a poor muzzle crown.

    Also try nathoi's advise re: chronoing with and without a suppressor.

    Comment by: pat farey     Posted on: 12 Jan 2012 at 04:54 PM

  • @pat farey exactly.try to pass a pellet through the barrel (using a strong brass wire) from the breech to the muzzle and feel the smoothness of the pellet travelling through until it goes out.take note if there is any resistance at the muzzle.if there is, it needs recrowning...but your problem is not the crown but your silencer or the power of the air pressure coming out.check your hammer spring and lightened it.

    Comment by: nathoi     Posted on: 14 Jan 2012 at 11:49 AM

  • Hi all

    Just wanted to close the loop on this one. Thanks to all who commented and for the advice.

    I have now got the rifle at the gunshop as Edgar Bros mentioned that they think it is a "bent barrel"! nothing worse grin

    I have not had the rifle back yet but in terms of service, Edgar Bros were very good, have already sent a new barrel out.

    Will let you all know when this is finally sorted and if I can then shoot straight.

    Just wonder if Edgar Bros have solved an issue for our lads and girls in service? Have they managed a gun that can fire round corners! wink

    Safe shooting all.

    P

    Comment by: Paul     Posted on: 17 Jan 2012 at 04:56 PM

  • hi paul,just reading your comments of the saga of your supressor and thought i would just add this,i bought a new version a/a tdr410 in 177 this xmas,having owned alot of a/a rifles in the past have allways had good times with them untill now,my TDR was set up with a leapers 3x12x50 scope,and i spent a whole day trying to zero it without success..long story made short i found that the gun was fine with no silencer,but as soon as the a/a suplied unit was fitted it all went pear shape.accuracy went but the big discovery was power dropped down to make shots go astray..as soon as the unit went back on..gun went back to shop and problem was never cured???gave up in the end and changed it for a 400 lite..which blew up in me face..ho-hum,i have given up with A/A rifles for a while..going to give a hatsan at44 a go now..what the hey..eh..k..

    Comment by: kym     Posted on: 24 Jan 2012 at 09:59 PM

  • bonsoir,que pensez vous du hatsan bt 65?merci des critiques ,ou bonnes impressions.son prix approximatif, merci a bientot.

    Comment by: DELHAYE     Posted on: 03 Feb 2012 at 08:52 PM

  • i have a hatsan 44-10 and i would like to change the synthetic stock for a wooden one , has anyone got any ideas, cheers Art

    Comment by: Arthur     Posted on: 14 Mar 2012 at 11:11 AM

  • I HAVE FOUND THAT AIR ARMS DIABLO FIELD PELLETS WORK PERFECTLY. I THINK THIS MAY BE DUE TO THE SKIRT ON THE PELLETS BEING QUITE SOFT THUS ALLOWING THEM TO SEAT BETTER IN THE MAGAZINE.

    Comment by: john H     Posted on: 24 Mar 2012 at 02:26 PM

  • hatsan at 44/10 rubbish bought new now 4 months old been back to shop 5 times,will not hold air,then cant charge.waiting for replacment gun of different make

    Comment by: m.lake     Posted on: 28 Mar 2012 at 12:46 PM

  • I live in Kuwait as a British expat I have an AT44-10 and a mod125, the mod125 has a muzzle velocity of 1250fps I am told the AT44 is 1090fps,
    So can I bring them back to the uk with me? I have no way of chronographing.
    Must say they are good rifles although a tad on the heavy side but practice helps .
    I do have a few issues with the odd stray and have given up any hope of using my moderator it all goes pants as soon as I fit it.
    Many thanks for any. Advice

    Comment by: Derron Tume     Posted on: 04 Apr 2012 at 05:20 PM

  • As even a lightweight .177 pellet would only be doing around 800fps to achieve the UK legal limit of 12ft/lbs muzzle energy, I would say that your AT44 and mod125 are both well over the top for the UK and you would need an FAC for them.

    Comment by: pat farey     Posted on: 04 Apr 2012 at 05:42 PM

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