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Webley Rebel

Mark Camoccio finds out what his right arm is for with the Webley Rebel pneumatic

I’ve always been a self-confessed airgun nut. Ever since that first rifle all those years ago, I’ve been hooked. Forget any notion of airguns being an introduction to other types of shooting too. It’s ONLY airguns that do it for me… and there’s a reason; self-contained power.

My first serious gun was a Webley Vulcan, a fine example of a traditional spring piston design. As the trigger was pulled, the mainspring rapidly expanded, so the air forward of the piston became compressed in a few milliseconds - sending the pellet on its way to the target. Stripping that rifle in a splendidly amateur fashion, with quite the most inappropriate tools, encouraged my sense of wonderment at how the mechanism went about its business; and many years down the line, my sense of satisfaction and enjoyment derived from shooting a plethora of ‘self-contained’ airguns, has yet to diminish.

Admittedly pre-charged pneumatics (PCPs) have largely taken us away from the ‘self.contained’ spring/piston brief, yet every now and then, something different arrives on the market, to remind us just what is possible in terms of design.

Looks familiar?

My test rifle here is the brand new Webley Rebel, and if it looks strangely familiar, that’s because it’s based loosely around the Sharp Innova - a classic Japanese airgun from the ‘80’s.

The Rebel is basically a single shot, variable power, pump-up design, aimed at the entry level market. What makes it stand out from the crowd, is the fact that there’s no spring or piston on board, the action is recoilless, and everything is self-contained. On paper at least, this concept is highly attractive, and since the rifle’s pump system generates the power, this means that no external diver’s bottle or separate pump is required.

first impressions are highly favourable, with the black polymer stock catching the eye. Configuration and proportions are excellent, and although the stock is not truly ambidextrous, the cheek piece definition is so subtle as to be irrelevant with regards to left-handers. White line spacers set off both the pistol grip and rubber butt pad nicely, whilst the extended, angular fore-end is both comfortable and stylish. The solid polymer/ composite stock manages to feel grippy and pleasant to the touch too - so we’re off to a good start.

Open sights

A further nice touch comes with the fact that the Rebel comes pre fitted with a highly usable set of open sights; and these are of the high-viz fibre optic variety. The integral fore sight sports a red dot, and is all part of the plastic moulding holding barrel to cylinder, whilst the fully adjustable sprung leaf rearsight offers two green filaments, effectively creating the ‘notch’.  fitting a scope requires careful removal of the rear sight - achieved by fully unscrewing and removing the top wheel. This gives access to a tiny screw beneath, which necessitates the use of an equally tiny screwdriver. I used one from a spectacle repair kit, which worked just fine. Once slackened, the unit slides straight off the rails.

With this rifle pumped and primed, loading a pellet is achieved by pressing the bolt release catch on the right hand side of the plastic breech block. The bolt then flies backwards to expose the loading channel, where a pellet can be gently rolled in from the right hand side. It has to be said that the channel is a little small and fiddly, yet in use, it all does the job.

Testing, testing

With the multi pump design demanding a full investigation, I turned first to the chronograph, to see just what energy levels were on offer here, and what level of input was required.

The trigger incidentally, is a pseudo two-stage affair, and given the lack of heavy loading from the pneumatic mechanism, the final let off is relatively light, albeit fairly creepy. The irritating shape of the plastic blade itself though, felt a little rough on the finger from the test model, since the mould line runs down the centre.

Back to the power/pump ratio results, and with this type of airgun, it’s always worth considering that if too few pumps are used, then the resultant low power may not be sufficient to even drive the pellet up the barrel. In the absence of any confirmed guidance here from the instruction leaflet, I decided that four pumps was to be the minimum, and eight was to be the maximum as specified (a tamper proof power limiter kicks in after this).

Pumping the Rebel is as usual with this type of gun, largely a matter of technique, and a positive consistent approach certainly renders the task much easier. The pumping procedure is as follows: first pull down the hinged fore-end, which doubles as the pumping lever; pull it down and back, to the end of its stroke. It’s important to appreciate that the cocking stroke should be the full arc every time, since this will then allow the same amount of air to be drawn into the compression chamber each time. Each return stroke compresses the air within, building a usable velocity over several pumps. Another important point to bear in mind here is that the supporting hand needs to be positioned so that it isn’t in the way of that returning pump handle.

The pumping in general is fairly reasonable, although perhaps too much for some younger shots, who maybe better off with a conventional springer. The clatter as the pump handle slaps back against the action is something that could be minimized, with the addition of small pads or cushioning material applied at the manufacturing stage. Other than this, the overall feel of the action was fine.

I found that a faster stroke used momentum to lessen the effort required, and to be honest, didn’t notice much greater effort needed for the first four pumps. Pumps five through to eight require fractionally more effort, but with energy levels proving fairly similar, throughout this band, I would be tempted to stick at four in any case.

The manufacturers claim that with the maximum number of 8 pumps, the Rebel should generate around 10ft/lbs of energy. On test, using the Webley Accupell pellets provided, in .177 calibre, energy came in a little shy of this figure, being nearer 8ft/lbs. Bearing in mind the ultra low price, and it’s clear that the Rebel is an entry level rifle, so we just can’t expect too much. Other examples may well perform slightly differently too.


For the crack

Since the Rebel is to all intents and purposes a pneumatic, it should come as no surprise that a fair old crack is generated at the muzzle, as the escaping air rapidly expands. Some owners will love this, but if you prefer quieter shooting sessions, a half inch thread is provided at the Rebel’s muzzle, so I spun a Daystate Airstream sound moderator into place. Balance still felt good, and with only a few ounces of weight added, the Rebel’s 5lbs mass was hardly spoilt.

With the Airstream silencer in place the Rebel’s significant report was reduced to a real whisper; instantly making the shooting experience a civilized one. Indeed the difference at the muzzle between silencer on/ off was dramatic. (Velocity and accuracy tests were unaffected by the silencer incidentally). The totally non-recoiling action on firing is of course another benefit of most pneumatic systems, and the Rebel is impressive in this respect.

Regarding accuracy, despite using top end pellets like JSB, the Rebel seemed to prefer Webley’s own Accupells. The best group achieved was 1 inch at 30yds, but spreads of around 1.5inches were more representative. This is really good considering the price of the rifle.

Bargain!

Overall then, I’m certainly pleased to see investment in the pump-up concept, but I can’t help being a little disappointed that a full power model wasn’t on the cards (although the more ballistic efficient .22 calibre version may do just that).

That said, the Rebel is an ultra-lightweight rifle, with a particularly comfortable stock, and has much to recommend it. It handles well and offers the recoilless shooting experience at a bargain price.

Technical Specifications
Model Webley Rebel
Type Bolt action, multi-pump manual pneumatic
Calibre: .177 on test/.22 available
Weight 5lbs
Overall Length: 35.5inches
Barrel Length: 18.75inches
Stock: Polymer/ composite
Trigger: 2-stage
Performance: From ten shot strings using
Webley Accupell pellets
Pumps @4pumps @5/6/7 pumps @8pumps
Average velocity: 610fps 652fps 675fps
Average spread: 18fps 10 fps 30fps
Average energy: 6.5ft/lbs 7.5ft/lbs 8ft/lbs

All Prices Are Guides Due to the Changes in US & European Exchange Rates

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User Comments
  • The rebels opens sight are rubbish, cheap plastic with wobbly bits. the two rear tru-glow dots dont even sit straight.
    As for fitting a silencer........pffft! every one I have tried has clipped...why?
    Cos most ordinary silencers are 1/2" unf.
    But no!
    The Rebal is 1/2" metric.............talk about pain in the arse.

    Webley is no longer what it used to be & never will be!

    As for Mark Camoccio not truly stating that the open sights are only decent for 10yrd (if that) plinking just goes to prove he's just another paid puppet shoveling shite.

    Comment by: Paddy Collins     Posted on: 07 Jul 2013 at 12:43 AM

  • i think its fair to say webley have gone and shot themselves in the foot again. the sharp innova was a true legend of a rifle, just look at their 2nd hand values.............

    webley then recycle the design with low performance......!
    as I actually like this rifle (originally thinking it was a 12ftlb ) I searched for my nearest stockist, whilst doing this I read this review and thank god I did.

    I would only buy one if I knew someone who could up the power to legal limit- as to me its like having a McLaren F1 with a mini engine fitted......

    Comment by: nobby     Posted on: 06 Oct 2013 at 10:38 AM

  • I've had a Sharp Innova .22 from the 80's & it is still working well.
    I bought the Webley Rebel .177 for two reasons, one, I was very interested to see how it compared to my Innova & two, I wanted it for my Grandson.
    What a disappointment, 1, my silencer didn't fit the thread, it was way too loose.
    2, the accuracy was very poor no matter what pellets I put through it, & 3, the loading port looks like it was designed for a .22 because when I dropped a pellet in, it turned sideways & I had to use a cleaning rod to move it back.
    After reading all the terms & conditions on the warranty, I decided it was a waste of time sending it back, I have to pay postage both ways for any repair.
    Waiving the warranty, I stripped the gun & did my own mods to the loading port & made a new adaptor for the silencer, a 1/2" unf not a metric 1/2" (what a joke!!)
    It shoots a lot better but I am considering re-barrelling at some point.
    Would I buy another one or recommend it? NO, pay a bit more & buy a used Innova.

    Comment by: Malc Tulloch     Posted on: 01 Dec 2013 at 04:08 PM

  • I had my .177 as a second hand/ trade in from a local gun shop. I paid half the new price, so I was off to a good start ! The new one on the gun rack had issues with the pump handle not securing. A .22 was suggested by the owner to be the better model.But as I was only after a plinker I didn't see the problem with the hardly used bargain priced rifle I'd noticed in the corner of the store room... Using it raised issues with uncomfortable pump handle plastics. loading, why oh why didn't they use a 5 shot clip ! Had issues with pellets getting trapped and clipped . Rear sights, cheap n nasty being a compliment for these cap gun rejects. I was warned in the shop that although it had a thread forget silencers as they would foul the pellet . I fitted a scope and with 4 pumps got reasonable results with the odd wayward shot I presume these are clipped pellets or where the name of the model comes from ! It was almost a nice gun !

    Comment by: Mike Bunce     Posted on: 20 Dec 2013 at 05:29 PM

  • Having owned a SHARP INNOVA and loved it's power and accuracy, I eagerly awaited the First Rebel to be released. I was disappointed at first that I could only get hold of the .177 version, but happily paid up and bought a very high power scope to go with it. 7-32x50. Knowing how good the old sharp was and the fact that I had rebuilt and replaced many parts I had worn out, I was ready to compare the new REBEL intimately.

    OK the bad news first..
    The silencer mount is M12 and not 1/2"UNF Also it is very thin and can be easly snapped off..
    The front end is plastic so there is a certain amount of flex movement if you start pumping like a demented gorilla. Especially if the pump action is adjusted too long and the pump lever closes with a loud clack..
    Actually a simplified design of the breech pump barrel retainer system has also contributed to the pump barrel being easily rotated a degree or two and this will promote sideways errors. The old sharp had two screws under the breech block. One to fix the reserve air chamber and retain the stock. And a second that actually screws up against the shim that secures the pump barrel and puts pressure on the transfer seal to avoid leakage.
    Lastly inside the air reservoir there is a plastic internal part that the SHARP INNOVA didn't have and a missing seal on the firing pin.
    Now if you buy a m12 silencer, and don't over pump the rifle it will perform well.

    Now for the good bit.. This rifle can be re-engineered or blueprinted and made even better than the sharp innova... There are about 8 modifications I have done to mine to blueprint it ti the old spec, new seal and retainer in the chamber, different bump stop rubbers for the firing pin, new front end with a longer silencer tube that is shimmed to the barrel., new securing system for the pump tube, a pump lever bump stop, main barrel re bonded to the stock, and different quality o rings and springs used.

    My blueprinted rifle 177 now performs with surgical accuracy,with the 32 mag mil dot scope. I can place a pellet on top of another over and over at 10 meters indoors and fairly often outdoors even in light wind at 25 meters.. and in almost silence with the new silencer ( m12 thread)

    So I have bought another one in .22 and that is going to get the same treatment.. I foolishly bought a 2-7 x 32 scope to go with it...ok for shooting game but for paper targets the rifle is so accurate it needs a very good scope. Yes i can shoot twigs off a tree at 25 meters with a 4x20 scope with a sharp but with a scope that has quality and power like the hawk sidewinder didgi nite eye i can still hit with surgical accuracy in near darkness at 25-50 Meters with the REBEL.. Placing the pellet exactly where the rifle is pointed.

    Conclusion, for plinking its excellent, it's light, even with a big scope and silencer (80 Gramms) for hunting it's powerful, and with a few mods it can be exceptional...Shame the Chinese or whoever make them, have cut a few corners and missed the possibility of doing a proper remake of a great oldie and improving the spec.. Who knows perhaps they will correct the mistakes and do a REBEL 2 and do it properly..IF ONLY::

    Me.. I love them, I enjoy modifying them and getting the accuracy that I still enjoy with my much rebuilt sharp. and for the money...what a bargain..

    Comment by: COLIN MARTIN     Posted on: 13 Sep 2014 at 10:04 PM

  • Sorry the above message should have read :-
    main barrel re bonded to the breech block, and different quality o rings and springs used.

    Also
    There is a high quality M12 & 1/2" -18db dual caliber .177 & .22 silencer made for this rifle. In light strong aluminum, anodized, and at 80 Gmms very light..Just ask around...IM not advertising the name...Just saying there is one made.

    Comment by: COLIN MARTIN     Posted on: 13 Sep 2014 at 10:15 PM

  • webley rebel cheap and cheerfull above all its light in the field you don't rely on gas tanks or tripe foot pumps or even c02 bulbs that are no good in cold weather its a usefull tool its the person with the air rifle that pulls the trigger but whats the point in having an a/rifle that cost the earth just to shoot two crows. and yet airgun mags do a feature on a guy who just manages to shoot two crows with a years wages air rifle were as a webley rebel can do the same job and at the end of the day its 100% recyclable rember cheap is always cheerfull not tear full

    Comment by: john a harwood     Posted on: 28 Dec 2014 at 11:46 AM

  • a highly usable set of open sights;
    Really ?
    So you found a use for them. But you don't say what because they are useless on the gun. (and you may go to hell for saying that.)
    Having just bought one in .177 i never imagined anything so freakin badly designed would find its way into production. They make a B2's open sights look advanced in comparison. Sorry but you have no credability after saying such porky pies.

    Comment by: Gaz     Posted on: 07 Feb 2015 at 06:19 AM

  • Hello Gas, Did Mark say the standard sights were ok?
    Well for plinking at 10 meters possibly but this rifle needs and deserves a decent scope. But I have gone over that one before..
    If you want accuracy then you need a good scope, good pellets that suit the rifle, and a rifle that does not twist the barrel when you pump..
    Having resolved all the above i now have a rifle that easily gets scores of 85% on a 25 foot target card at 25 METERS That's 82 FEET. you know the target that has five small targets numbered 5-10 well that's what i constantly use at 25 meters..for me a good group is 5 pellets in the black , that can be covered with my thumbnail.
    As for the pellets, im using RWS Diablo Basic, for the 177 rifle and Gamo match diablo for the 22 cal. I would use the rws for the 22 but for some strange reason they are not made!! Shame as for the 177 the rws are clearly better than the gamo for accuracy. and i shoot them at 656 ft sec. (4 pumps)
    There is little point using more force as the pellets are fully flattening against the target backstop ( steel plate) and punch a super clean hole..
    Unfortunate the high accuracy means that I can only shoot 5 pellets into each roundel on the target, otherwise the holes are all joined up in a big hole and scoring thus rendered impossible..so it's just 25 shots per card. 5x5
    If you are using a 22 Rebel, then the Diablo match will be best for card targets, and ratting, or you can get a heavier round and use more pumps if you are after bigger game..

    But back to the basic rifle, avoid over pumping there is no point,,and you risk twisting the pump barrel and this will twist the front sight/main barrel of the rifle. Do this and bang goes the accuracy. Use a M12 thread silencer or get the front mount replaced with a 1/2"unf one to fit common silencers.
    Use RWS for the 177 and gamo for the 22 for targets.
    Get the best scope your budget can afford, and start having some fun.



    Comment by: colin martin     Posted on: 18 Feb 2015 at 12:14 PM

  • Hello Mark. No he didn't say they were ok but missed the chance to say how truly dreadful they really are.
    I bought one in .177 and read with interest what you had to say regarding the barrel twisting. I scoped the gun and found the accuracy passable but not quite as good as my hw95k or webley tracker. Then i tried fitting a homebrewed silencer which was a tight fit on the threads. It clipped so i took it off. Then i found my point of impact had shifted about 4 inches at 20 yards. This happened twice and i'm fed up of re zeroing and thinking of returning the gun. But that will be a last resort as i had to wait a month for my local gun shop to get it in .177. I haven't been able to find any great guides for stripping the gun. There is one called "easyway" or something similar but the illustrations are to poor to see any details. I am familiar with springers but this is the first pump up rifle i have owned. If my barrel has twisted, how can i tell for sure and how can i untwist it ?
    I like gun despite itself but is it really that fragile that the barrel twists ? The first thing i notice on mine was the plastic barrel shroud would bend when i cocked the gun and i wondered just how small a diameter the barrel must be inside it.

    Comment by: Gaz     Posted on: 18 Feb 2015 at 11:57 PM

  • Hello. I have a sharp innova .22, lovley peace of kit, but every time i fire it the pellet lands in a different place. I'm ex army and I'm a good shot so i know its not me. has anybody got any sergestions??? many thanks.

    Comment by: steve     Posted on: 04 Mar 2015 at 04:05 PM

  • Hi Steve, You've got yourself a real classic there! I had one years ago and really wish I still had it. Innovas usually have very good barrels, so you should be getting good accuracy. Are you using a scope on the rifle? If so, maybe it's not quite as good as it should be and not holding zero. If the optic is OK (if you're using one) it could be damage to the barrel's crown, causing the pellet to be deformed as it exits the bore, resulting in a poor group.

    Also, are the pellets going all over the place, or stringing up and down? If the second thing is happening, the power may be fluctuating due to the rifle not holding a charge properly. Only a chronograph will tell if this is causing the problem.

    Or maybe you're using cheap pellets? Quality pellets such as Field Target Trophies and Air Arms usually work well in these guns, so maybe give them a go.

    As you can see, there are quite a few variables here. A bit more info will help me help you, I'm determined to get your Innova shooting as it should!

    Comment by: Troll Hunter     Posted on: 04 Mar 2015 at 06:18 PM

  • Hello GAZ and Steve It sounds like you both have similar problems, but lets answer Steve first.
    Troll's answer is correct, some more info required for an accurate diagnosis, but as he says if the pellets are spread vertically, ( and i would use a Paper or card target at 10 meters and four pumps) then variations in power are most likely to blame. Use a quality brand of pellet, The Gamo MATCH suit the innova 0,22 very well. Also if you have changed or bought a new brand of pellet you should clean the rifle internally ( barrel ) with a decent pull through or cleaning rod. Do not use steel or piano wire...
    OK once the barrel is clean and using a good pellet start taking some practice shots to lead in the barrel, This can take 10-20 pellets for the rifle to settle in. Do not pump to maximum, as i have said a million times before this will not help the life or accuracy of the innova ( or rebel)
    Use a sand bag type support to settle the rifle or a soft vice to clamp the rifle and do some careful line ups will give the results required to enable us to analyse what is happening.
    Also I would strongly recommend fitting a scope, even a cheapie 4 x 20 will enable you to get more accurate test results.
    When sighting in the scope adjust in small amounts, ( maximum half the error).
    Post your results Steve and I will get back to you on the next step.
    Perhaps a little history on the rifle? I have written many pages on both the Sharp innova and Rebels, and they are great rifles, but a poorly maintained or abused rifle will rend poor results.
    Do you have any engineering skills Steve? there are a few engineering mods that can restore a rifle to it's former performance, and a blueprinted Rebel is very very good.
    Colin

    Comment by: colin     Posted on: 04 Mar 2015 at 09:38 PM

  • Hello GAZ now to your problems.. first im assuming you are the first owner, and hopefully the gunshop hasn't been over pumping it on demo's, or that you have not been doing that either.. so if the line of sight error is sideways then this is usually down to the front end and the lower pump tube twisting under heavy load.
    Ok it shouldn't self destruct if you loose count of the number of pumps, and im not saying it will, but it's not healthy and totally unnecessary.
    If the error started with adding a home brew silencer then it's probable that the soft aly thread / barrel holder is bent or loose. The silencer thread is M12 and not the correct 1/2" UNF but there are silencers available. You can replace the threaded part by removing the front plastic end piece, and unscrewing it from the inside. It has a recess inside that centres the steel barrel's 9mm external dia ( from memory).
    The barrels are the same excellent quality as the Sharp thank god...
    If the threaded support has moved forward inside the plastic front end it could be allowing the barrel to move about. Vertical and side ways errors. Don't worry about the outer sleeve, its a loose fit over the barrel and serves no purpose other than cosmetic and to prevent sunlight heating the barrel and causing a heat warp.
    Same reason tanks have shielded barrels.
    Actually due to the front end being plastic ( as it was on the Sharp innova ) the plastic barrel shroud should butt up firmly inside the front mount and help reduce any forward rotation ( as opposed to twist) of the front end.
    The most common fault is that by using a pumping action that puts a sideways force on the pump mechanism, and/or an over tight pump action, causes the lower pump tube to rotate slightly. Any movement will cause a sideways error.
    Both the barrel and pump tube fit into the breech block and must stay in parallel. I recommend adding a pump barrel securing bolt as per the Innova, something the Chinese though would be a good idea to omit. There is a shim under the pump tube ( tab) and this must be tight. If the rifle is otherwise fine then a few drops of locktight can be used to bond the tube and tab to stop any movement. I really must do a video and post it for everyone to see but i can send many photos of the mods I have done...Just wish i knew how to publish my own site.
    Finally a comment on how to pump.. hold the pistol grip in the left hand and pump with the right hand on the pump lever, 4 pumps should be about 650 fps with a standard target pellet. Never hold the top of the rifle or by the scope and resting on your knee. The pump lever makes a super guillotine for finger tips. and yes I found out the hard way.... nuf said....
    The rifle is not fragile despite being mostly plastic. But it wont stand being abused.
    For a rifle that has the potential when blueprinted to be excellent, and for the price and to be able to go out plinking, targeting, vermin control etc and be able to shoot 1000 rounds in a day without having to lug around dive tanks, or a heavy rifle that will wear you down..it's a super rifle, but it's a Chinese remake using as little cost as possible and they have cut a few corners..it's a terrible shame but that's why you don't expect a perfect anything if it's made in hong kong..Now if the Germans had decided to remake a version of the Sharp Innova we wouldn't be here sorting them out...
    As yours in new if the pump barrel is moving ( rotating) and or the pump action is really hard and closing with a loud clack, then take it back and get it adjusted.
    As for a blueprinted one with a high quality scope, I use hawk didgi side winder, a custom silencer and bipod, well I would not sell mine for under 1k and then i would probably cry afterwards.. 14 mods mostly internal, plus custom silencer, custom bipod, and decent scope...im a very happy Rebel owner..
    Colin






    Comment by: colin martin     Posted on: 04 Mar 2015 at 10:55 PM

  • Hey Colin.Thanks for the advice mate.After i made the above posts i decided i could live without the warranty and took

    it appart myself.Its only a month old amd was brand new and unused in .177.Its a 10ft lb @ 8 pumps model and thats what it did. Though i managed to squeeze it to 11 ft lbs but at 10 pumps.I followed the easyway guide for the innova as its explained in there how to do it. I am not in the habit of over pumping it. But who buys a pump up and has the willpower not to try an extra few pumps now and then ? Especially as i do have a chrono. And 4 pumps produce the 640fps you mentioned.8 pumps takes it to just under 10 ft lbs and there is the extra 1 ft lbs in reserve if i'm feeling fit. Its bad enough pumping to 8 so unless there is a zombie apocalypse i will rarely use more than 6 pumps.
    You were correct in that the alloy threaded part for the silencer was causing me a problem. Though it wasn't bent. It had simply screwed in a bit and i assume it was pushing on the barrell causing the innacuracy. I have since locktighted it and i bought the silencer which was made for the rebel.(which at £25 was very reasonable i thought). My gun is not as accurate as yours.Best pellets i have tried so far are superdomes and i think there may be better ones
    out there. Will look into the ones you recommend next visit to the gun shop.I don't know how available they are
    locally.I find the gun very pellet sensitive but its more accurate than me.If i switch pellets to chinese cheapies it
    sprays them like a .410. Other RWS brand aint so bad.
    Another annoying problem i had was the roll pin falling out because it was a loose fit and so nothing holding it in. I don't know if my gun had some screws missing there but two self tappers now keep it in place. By the way. What lube do you use on the pump ? I find the gun pretty addictive to shoot somehow. In the month i have had it i have probably put 1500 or more shots on
    it. Caught my thumb in it only once so far. It hurt muchly. Its a very under rated bargain IMO. A real marmite gun.

    Comment by: Gaz     Posted on: 06 Mar 2015 at 01:39 AM

  • Hello again Gaz OK you have started the work your self, that's good.
    The 650 fps is more than adequate for punching holes in targets the domed headed type are slightly heavier so will be slower than the gamo match shape.
    Four big advantages at shooting at 650 fps
    1 you only need four pumps
    2 the repeatable pellet speed is at it's most constant, im getting +- 3fps at four pumps...so very little variation in height at 25 meters, my usual target distance.
    3 The pellet carries enough inertia a 650 fps to full flatten out against a steel plate, without shattering and sending bit's everywhere.
    4 The speed in well below the sound barrier, (950 fps) so no loud crack when using a silencer. I designed a 36 port 6 chamber silencer that weighs just 80 gramms and is made from high grade aluminium and anodized. So it will last forever and looks very cool. and it gives a very quiet "Tuff" that won't scare anything.

    Ok for lubricants..
    1st to avoid dieseling, The pellets should be oil and oxide free, But a very light spray of a silicone base lubricant ( just one quick puff per tin ) will stop the opened tin of pellets from oxidizing. Less is better than more.!! Although I get through a tin of 500 in a few weeks if not days when im in the mood. so mine don't get time to oxidise, RWS diablo basic are super shiny when new and stay like that when a tiny puff of oil is added and they are gently shaken to distribute the oil...They should not be oily enough to make your fingers feel oily when shooting..

    A very tiny squirt of silicone oil through the breather hole then hold the rifle vertical so that it can run down the inside of the pump barrel, one pump, fire, one pump, fire, to spread the tiny amount of oil through the pump chamber without building up high pressure that can cause it to detonate and burn the internal seals...as this requires a total strip down to fix...
    The top part of the pump piston and rod are linked to the pump lever by a metal sleeve that slides back and forth inside the pump tube, this will not be smooth if it gets dry, and it can feel rough when fully extending the pump lever...Just add a small amount of silicone grease to enable this metal metal contact to slide effortlessly and silently, and again on the pins, just a tiny amount of grease. I use a green high performance grease an mine.
    Finally
    A word of warning.. The bolt release lever on my 177 started to wear and it became a danger so i replaced mine with a slightly thicker one that has been heat treated and hardened...Webley have been informed and they are sorting the problem..You can avoid the wear by not letting the bolt clack back when released...but dampen the movement with your thumb. or use a thick grease to lubricate it and slow it down..The bolt has a retainer pin that hits the release lever and gouges a slot that will cause the bolt to be either ejected backwards or fail to lock in place properly...
    IT MUST BE NOTED THAT I HAD TO SHOOT OVER 3000 PELLETS before this started to fail..so it's a part that wears rather than a faulty part...again it's the Chinese quality issue and is just one of the things I replace when i blueprint the rifle.
    IM expecting a life of a million pellets from the rifle...my biggest issue is what to do with all the lead...I collect my flattened pellets in a catch tray and regularly empty that into a big tin...then i melt the scrap into moulds I have made, to make badges or ingots.
    Colin



    Comment by: colin martin     Posted on: 06 Mar 2015 at 06:01 PM

  • Hi Collin. I agree that 4 pumps is plenty for target practice. My garden allows me only about 22 yards and to get that i have to shoot from indoors. Will keep an eye on that bolt. The gun is working great but i'm still not very happy with the accuracy or lack off. I hope its just a matter of finding the right pellets. The superdomes are best so far and occasionally 2 or 3 will make a ragged hole but the next shot might be a random inch away. I tried a different scope but results are the same. Sometimes the pellets gets caught on something. As i push the bolt forward I can feel the resistance. Maybe that's the problem but will try different pellets first.
    Obviously you are a skilled engineer and have access to lathes and mills. (The webley silencer weighs 100 grams.) I own two lathes myself but one of my other interests is woodturning. My record no 1 makes a great spring compressor. I have a very old small engineering lathe i bought on impulse at a boot sale years ago. I think it was originally powered by steam and leather belts. It needs a new motor now.
    Cheers for the advice. I need to get some more silicon oil as i used the last lot on some leather cup washers. And a few different tins of slugs to try out. All the best.

    Comment by: Gaz     Posted on: 08 Mar 2015 at 07:11 PM

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