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Buddy Bottle Options
- By Pete Moore
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- Last updated: 09/12/2016
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Though both these discontinued yet ‘classic’ PCPs have been consigned to the history books, there still must be a lot of airgunners who own these models, along with guns traded in and now on the second hand racks in gunshops. Some of these may have been traded because of the concerns about getting spare parts. A point in case are the buddy bottles that run both guns. So once again I must credit Richard Bingham of Best-Fittings for his foresight in making available three very attractive options.
OFF-THE-SHELF
You can either buy a fully built up ‘buddy bottle’ (the removable compressed air reservoir these rifles use), in both sizes of 400 and 500cc. Or a re-buildable stainless steel valves kit, and even just the empty bottles with no valve fitted. There are of course other very useful ‘bits’, and a few I’ll mention later.
First up is the BSA/Theoben Buddy Bottle complete with Stainless Steel (Rebuildable) Valve unit. The only feature that is different - due to the internal air capacity storage rating (cc) - is the length and the max pressure that they can be filled to. Both share the common 1/4” BSP thread for screwing into the receiver of these air rifles. Manufactured from high-grade Aluminium and supplied to Best-Fittings by the respected ‘Luxfer’ brand, with a 10-year test cycle. The same bottles are currently used by BSA, Daystate, Theoben, FX etc… the 400cc version has a 230-bar maximum fill pressure, the 500cc 250-bar max. They are 60mm in diameter and 255mm and 315mm long respectively. Cosmetically the 400cc has a semi-gloss black finish while the 500 is flat black.
BLACK & WHITE
The Buddy Bottle Valve Kits for 400/500cc bottles are manufactured from Stainless Steel, with two Delrin Universal Valve Pips. Obviously it has the required 1/4” BSP thread to insert into the rifle, is fully rebuildable and for this is supplied with spares. The ‘extras’ are additional, rubber O-ring seals and an extra valve pip. The latter is coloured white for Theoben models and black for BSA.
It may seem an obvious statement to make but do ensure before purchase that as both are compatible with BSA and Theoben Buddy Bottles with M18 x 1.5mm 5mm threads – your bottle does have the same female thread, as it could also be 5/8”UNF. Usually denoted by a round rather than flat bottom on the bottle.
OFF GUN
They can even supply bare Buddy Bottle’s in both sizes with no valve should you prefer to fit a Dr Bob QF Kit plus air gauge (featured previously in ‘Workshop’ a while back). For those wanting to keep the rifles and bottles as originally intended to be removed for re-fills, they also supply a Universal Buddy Bottle Fill Adaptor with Seal & Cap for off-gun charging. This includes the 1/4”BSP Female to 1/8” BSP male thread for direct fitting to a flexible fill line. Suits BSA SuperTEN, Theoben Rapid (including MFR), and even Logun S16 and S16s. Full instructions are included for all kits supplied.
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24 Apr 2020 at 01:26 AMare the bsa s10 and r10 bottles interchangable without altering the bottle valve ?
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09 Feb 2020 at 04:12 PMI BOUGHT a s/h BSA super 10 and problem I have is when I fill buddy bottle the just comes back out what is my problem. Thanks in advance
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26 Nov 2018 at 05:30 PMCheck with Best Fittings, U.K. for replacement parts. They replace the copper valve with stainless steel. The copper valve corrodes after a while.
Davey James
23 Jun 2016 at 11:21 PMExcellent article - thank you! I have an original BSA Super-10 with the original rounded bottom 200cc (??) 232 BAR 160mm long dated 10.1997! I gather from my gun dealer that the valve has gone. Reading your article it would appear that the valve I need is not the M18 1x 1.5mm 5mm thread but the 5/8”UNF. If this is indeed the case, any thoughts as to how I get the valve replaced? Look forward to your advice!
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23 Jun 2016 at 03:49 PMI love the design of the Galatian too. The Sumatra is a powerhouse. I no longer need a shotgun. I use 21 grain pellets on this gun.
Davey.
Davey James
19 Feb 2015 at 12:59 PMI've not shot a Galation but they look to be well designed and made. I really like the Sumatras by the way.
Troll Hunter
19 Feb 2015 at 07:33 AMAllen Zasadny has fitted a quickfill set-up on a 360 cc Theoben buddy bottle which is working fine on the BSA super10. This is the second one done for us.
How it was done seemed to be a mystery but I see an impression like a bead of welding at about a three-quarter of an inch from the bottom which is where it was probably cut to fit the quickfill nipple and then welded.
I no longer have this airgun, I have a .177 Sumatra 2500. and will be getting a .177 Hatsan Galation soon. What are your thoughts on these?
Thanks for all contributions on the previous topic.
Davey James
19 Feb 2015 at 03:10 AMDo not even think about it! Others have done it in the past despite Luxfer saying not to.
I guess people have just been very lucky up to now.
Troll Hunter
19 Feb 2015 at 12:45 AMI see lots of photos of of custom air rifles with the buddy bottle drilled at the front, most seem to be in the states,but if you look at A+M,s custom picture in the gun magazines you will notice one there,although A+M don't do this. If this is so unsafe how come American gunsmiths do it without being sued
Anthony Lightowler
19 Feb 2015 at 12:36 AMThank you my friend. I will take your advice. I got the same advice from another person who fits the Theoben bottles with quick fill adapters but he seem to do a professional job.
Davey James
06 Apr 2014 at 09:59 PMDO NOT DRILL INTO A BUDDY BOTTLE AND INSTALL A QUICKFILL!
This may seem like a good idea but buddy bottles are comparatively thin and are not designed to be drilled and tapped, even the end. Tube type reservoirs on pre charged air rifles have thick end plugs with the quickfill installed and no manufacturer offers a buddy bottle with a quickifill fitted for good reason.
Luxfer, the company that makes buddy bottles, have done tests on similar conversions and strongly advise against it.
Do not do it! It could kill you!
Troll Hunter
06 Apr 2014 at 12:39 PMI am the owner of a BSA superten bullbarrel air rifle. I am thinking of installing a male quickfill nipple to the buddy bottle so that I will not have to remove the bottle to refill. If this can be done, please advise.
Davey
Davey James
05 Apr 2014 at 03:57 PM